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Champions League revamp

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dublinbluenose said:
20 years ago I'd have been fuming about this, I'm not sure I'm really all that bothered if it happens (I dont think it will as it happens).

I dunno if that says more about football being less important as life takes over or if its 20 years of stagnation by Everton.

I hope its the former.
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Spot on,

I am totally indifferent to this news.

I just don’t care enough about Football anymore.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Don't underestimate the anger of the teams left behind, or the immediate needs of their pocketbooks. They're going to calculate if they can weather they can weather the immediate storm of clawbacks on rights payments and weigh that against their long-run interests here.

In my opinion, the six ESL teams from England are placing a very large bet that the remaining clubs can't. This only makes sense if the ESL clubs collect both revenue streams.

I can absolutely see insanity like the more well-heeled members finding ways to finance the ones that can't afford the immediate hit in order to secure their votes to give the pariahs the boot.

The breakaway clubs could easily end up running a retirement league for players that have already made their bones in international football, with no clear pathway back and player contracts that permit them to walk should those clubs decide to shutter the whole thing and try to play their way back up from the fifth tier. I assure you that if I were a player's agent, I'd insist on that language in the contract.
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The leagues have the power on this, it's just whether they have the bottle to use it. There will be a short term, severe financial hit, sure, but ultimately other clubs will fill the void within 4-5 years, because new teams will get the share of the ECL pie.

All it would mean is a much needed financial reset which will slow down football eating itself, which is what was gradually happening and the Super League is the ultimate symptom of it.

If the Premier League and all the others understand that not taking drastic measures is substantially worse than allowing this to go ahead in any way shape or form, then what they need to do is very obvious - they need to revoke the eligibility of all these clubs to play in all existing competitions immediately, ban their players from representing their nations, and give a deadline to drop the entire thing before they are permanently excluded from football. It's the only way.
 

It does seem like the whole league plan is built more for foreign fans than domestic fans. Most fans of the 6 English clubs involved seem to be against it. I think with the fifa generation they tend to be tv fans not really fans of the one club.

I haven't watched a champions league game since it was last on domestic tv. I see myself as an everton fan not a football fan. I always have found it daft that the 4th best club is in the champions league. Never mind Arsenal when they finish 9th or 10th.
 
dublinbluenose said:
20 years ago I'd have been fuming about this, I'm not sure I'm really all that bothered if it happens (I dont think it will as it happens).

I dunno if that says more about football being less important as life takes over or if its 20 years of stagnation by Everton.

I hope its the former.
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I get that, but i'm literally willing to fight anything and everything to do with the establishment and stuff like this makes me really mad.
 

Tubey said:
The leagues have the power on this, it's just whether they have the bottle to use it. There will be a short term, severe financial hit, sure, but ultimately other clubs will fill the void within 4-5 years, because new teams will get the share of the ECL pie.

All it would mean is a much needed financial reset which will slow down football eating itself, which is what was gradually happening and the Super League is the ultimate symptom of it.

If the Premier League and all the others understand that not taking drastic measures is substantially worse than allowing this to go ahead in any way shape or form, then what they need to do is very obvious - they need to revoke the eligibility of all these clubs to play in all existing competitions immediately, ban their players from representing their nations, and give a deadline to drop the entire thing before they are permanently excluded from football. It's the only way.
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Take the lead from Brexit and the EU...add tariffs and taxes to financial dealings on the super clubs if they want to play in the domestic leagues.

Simple.
 
little elfin said:
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Quote - We demand the Board immediately disassociates itself from the breakaway league. Only then can meaningful discussions about change take place. If the Board does not do this, we will have no choice but to call on new owners prepared to safeguard the past, present and future of our great Club to step forward and work with us.

I see this a lot - threats to remove owners, but money = power. Owners don't just gracefully step down and move on to something else. You can't remove someone who has money. They'll use it to remove you.
 
Tubey said:
Crap isn't it? Could just say "we will not participate in any negotiations to show European Super League games on BT" - but of course they haven't said that.
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All about the €€€ mate.

Best case scenario for us is top 6 booted, much reduced TV deals which the market adjusts accordingly and £30 million players become £10 million players, wages reduced in English Football and hopefully Big Uzzy bankrolling us to the top of the hill at BMD.
 
kenada_blue said:
Take the lead from Brexit and the EU...add tariffs and taxes to financial dealings on the super clubs if they want to play in the domestic leagues.

Simple.
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No, just bar them. There's no way of taking away the advantage - they need regulating, in that if a team is so absurdly out of line with the interests of football, they aren't allowed to participate.

If football can't regulate itself, then in the public interest the game should be regulated by the government. It's that serious.

The existing footballing bodies really need to understand the depth of feeling. Indeed, UEFA should be scrapping those Champions League overhauls immediately too - they won't as they and FIFA are as corrupt as it gets, but they should, because there's a clear line in the sand being drawn now between power transferring too far to the elite few away from sporting meritocracy as preferred by the masses of fans across the world.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Don't underestimate the anger of the teams left behind, or the immediate needs of their pocketbooks. They're going to calculate if they can weather the immediate storm of clawbacks on rights payments and weigh that against their long-run interests here.

In my opinion, the six ESL teams from England are placing a very large bet that the remaining clubs can't. This only makes sense if the ESL clubs collect both revenue streams.

I can absolutely see insanity like the more well-heeled members finding ways to finance the ones that can't afford the immediate hit in order to secure their votes to give the pariahs the boot.

The breakaway clubs could easily end up running a retirement league for players that have already made their bones in international football, with no clear pathway back and player contracts that permit them to walk should those clubs decide to shutter the whole thing and try to play their way back up from the fifth tier. I assure you that if I were a player's agent, I'd insist on that language in the contract.
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This is the big problem IMHO - there is definitely a long term play here for the 14, if they were brave and rode it out. it's reasonable to suggest they would be much better off. But at the end of the day, kick the 6 out and the current TV rights dont get paid as budgeted and the next 3 years of negotiations will be carnage. I think you are asking turkeys to vote for christmas this year, which they simply wont

Alot of the rumbling in the last few hours is suggesting that the superleague is on pretty solid legal grounds because of competition law and the only real punishments in play are removal from domestic leagues. I want to see this happen, it is the only mechanic that will have a true impact, but I dont think there is a chance of it
 

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