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Perez is not the true power behind all this super league stuff. The American owners are. They just put somebody else as the front man, nobody who has real power needs to actually do the PR. Like why would Perez be running the show if there are six english clubs involved - thats where the power is.

I'm actually most surprised Daniel Levy is on board, especially after how he talked about Tottenham being a community club in All or Nothing. The entire series is just a PR marketing exercise for their training ground.
 
I don't think there is any real way to separate the owners from the clubs

It’s tough and they’re reasonably linked, but for example if all of the fans of the 14 teams stood with the “big 6” supporters trust and worked together and put club differences aside and instead had a protest against the super league and the greedy owners, that would be more productive than pitting the actual clubs vs. each other.
 
What's surprising to me is that Moshiri and Usmanov are not part of this elite inner circle otherwise I wonder if they would take on the stadium project especially with this super league/champions league uncertainty that might affect incomes.

And when Moshiri came into the league, he really got swindled with bad transfers like Sigurdsson, Klassen, Sandro Ramirez, and owners were offering him anything and he was buying. But he's at least gotten a bit better, with getting Carlo, and some pretty astute signings now. Marcel Brands signings recently have been really good.
 

I don't think there is any real way to separate the owners from the clubs

It's called a strike from everybody who works there. That would be the way to make the owners walk, when they lose value in their investment. But that would also mean you'd have to somehow block people from joining. The strike would probably mean there's some sort of 'legal' action taken on the players/staff which would need to be supported by the rest of us somehow. Otherwise they could run down their contracts and not renew.

The biggest problem is when you're organising a group is to act united. Because it only takes a few from a large group to be tempted. And this is why money/power wins all (most) of the time.
 
Perez is not the true power behind all this super league stuff. The American owners are. They just put somebody else as the front man, nobody who has real power needs to actually do the PR. Like why would Perez be running the show if there are six english clubs involved - thats where the power is.
Perez is the public facing stooge that makes the whole thing seem unserious while the others rob everyone blind. Basically a Trump strategy. I don’t know why people aren’t asking questions about where all this money is coming from and where it’s going to go.
 
Perez is not the true power behind all this super league stuff. The American owners are. They just put somebody else as the front man, nobody who has real power needs to actually do the PR. Like why would Perez be running the show if there are six english clubs involved - thats where the power is.

I'm actually most surprised Daniel Levy is on board, especially after how he talked about Tottenham being a community club in All or Nothing. The entire series is just a PR marketing exercise for their training ground.
I dunno, I think Levy has been in on it for a long time, look at that stadium and the NFL tie in, everything reeks of them wanting to be a global brand now, without earning it overtime.
 
Perez is not the true power behind all this super league stuff. The American owners are. They just put somebody else as the front man, nobody who has real power needs to actually do the PR. Like why would Perez be running the show if there are six english clubs involved - thats where the power is.

I'm actually most surprised Daniel Levy is on board, especially after how he talked about Tottenham being a community club in All or Nothing. The entire series is just a PR marketing exercise for their training ground.
Perez has been after this for years. Obviously Liverpool/UTD/Arsenal owners are all for it but they're 3 of 12 so far. Madrid, Barca, Milan and Juve are desperate for the money. They're all equally scum imo
 
Would bet on City and Chelsea since they're still in the CL and it seems a real possibility they might not be for much longer.
City really seem to have the least to gain from all this since they pretty much dominate the league and get CL every season anyway.
This is what I dont understand,those two clubs dont need it, they can dominate Europe now.
The skint European clubs can't, it's as if they want to bring the PL down as they know they cant compete and Chelsea and City are scared to miss out
 

It’s tough and they’re reasonably linked, but for example if all of the fans of the 14 teams stood with the “big 6” supporters trust and worked together and put club differences aside and instead had a protest against the super league and the greedy owners, that would be more productive than pitting the actual clubs vs. each other.
Unfortunately the trusts have no real say in the actual club though so I'm not sure it really does much besides saying that we feel for the fans who don't want this.
 

I can't believe we find ourselves in this situation where 12 clubs are trying to rip the heart out of European football and their response is to send up this piece of s... to offer up excuses as to how they are going to help the game.

Seriously, shorter games because kids are playing FIFA?! I've been playing FIFA for over 25 years and not once have I thought, "you know what, I wish real football only lasted 15 minutes".

Absolute bellends the lot of them. If they are still in the Premier League next year all 14 teams should just turn up to the matches but not play. Just stand there. Won't make a difference as they can't qualify for the Champions League so we can have a 14 team league and whoever finishes 7th among those 14 is basically the Champion and everyone gets European places anyway. Don't let the Premier League become their warm up league for the "big" matches.
 
When is the ESL going to start? The English clubs want to play in the Prem' as well, so they'd have to assemble a second squad.

The ESL is going to be a midweek night fixture, apparently, so are they hoping there fans will go to both matches when their Prem' team plays on the weekend?

Which matches are going to have embarrassing attendances?

What about when their Prem' team has a home midweek fixture in the same week as their ESL side?

Will both Leagues work together to arrange the fixtures? :D

And will people watch the same teams play each other time and again on TV in a competition where there's only one trophy to play for and the also rans
will be known long before the end of the season and there's not even a relegation fight to keep you interested?

So many questions and I've only just started.
 
Perez is the public facing stooge that makes the whole thing seem unserious while the others rob everyone blind. Basically a Trump strategy. I don’t know why people aren’t asking questions about where all this money is coming from and where it’s going to go.

Perez has been after this for years. Obviously Liverpool/UTD/Arsenal owners are all for it but they're 3 of 12 so far. Madrid, Barca, Milan and Juve are desperate for the money. They're all equally scum imo

As mmmmsnouts is saying - its the trump strategy, put a clown in front and make it spanish so it has to be translated for half the world... then the real villains are going to rob everyone.

Perez - "What does the world demand? We have fans in Singapore, in China, all around the world, you see that on social media, the followers they have. That's what brings in money."

This is what I was saying before - its 4 billion fans around the world, vs three countries fans... these guys are truly insane. The world is not enough and all that. Elon Musk and Bezos spending billions to go to Mars...
 
It's called a strike from everybody who works there. That would be the way to make the owners walk, when they lose value in their investment. But that would also mean you'd have to somehow block people from joining. The strike would probably mean there's some sort of 'legal' action taken on the players/staff which would need to be supported by the rest of us somehow. Otherwise they could run down their contracts and not renew.

The biggest problem is when you're organising a group is to act united. Because it only takes a few from a large group to be tempted. And this is why money/power wins all (most) of the time.
How much fun would it be to see players from these clubs in a go-slow protest. Just mooch about the pitch aimlessly for 90 minutes while your opponents score 30+ goals.
 

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