Champions League revamp

[brieverton]

Either they have broken PL rules or not. That must be formally presented to those clubs and they can individually or collectively challenge that "charge".

I wouldn't be unhappy to see this end up mired in a legal quagmire, it would serve as a deterrent on its own.

If the PL don't proceed on this basis, ideally the group of 14 would engage in the matter through lawyers.

We have to get the six on the defensive on this and on the run. Make them argue amongst themselves.

 

[number4.]

Either they have broken PL rules or not. That must be formally presented to those clubs and they can individually or collectively challenge that "charge".

I wouldn't be unhappy to see this end up mired in a legal quagmire, it would serve as a deterrent on its own.

If the PL don't proceed on this basis, ideally the group of 14 would engage in the matter through lawyers.

We have to get the six on the defensive on this and on the run. Make them argue amongst themselves.

It's a huge assumption to determine that the 14 want the 6 punished so desperately - a few (of the 14 - Parrish & brighton Chairman) already talking about a need for calm and working together.

Some see the justified want for heavy punishment as a mechanic that will push the 6 away further, which is a tightrope many dont want to walk.

 

[davek]

Points deductions or they got away with it.

Simple as that.

 

[brieverton]

It's a huge assumption to determine that the 14 want the 6 punished so desperately - a few (of the 14 - Parrish & brighton Chairman) already talking about a need for calm and working together.

Some see the justified want for heavy punishment as a mechanic that will push the 6 away further, which is a tightrope many dont want to walk.

Yes I know. It's better they work together but it only takes one club to make a stand and say we cannot just have this swept under the carpet for business as usual.

 

[davek]

It's a huge assumption to determine that the 14 want the 6 punished so desperately - a few (of the 14 - Parrish & brighton Chairman) already talking about a need for calm and working together.

Some see the justified want for heavy punishment as a mechanic that will push the 6 away further, which is a tightrope many dont want to walk.

They're not mutually exclusive, are they?

Punish and then work with them so they never do it again.

 

[allen]

If we fans want this punishment, we need to let Everton know - and fans of the other 14 need to do the same with their clubs.

I'm disappointed there's seemingly no effort to bring the supporters groups of the 14 (and even any of the 6 that might be on our side) together to state our case collectively.

 

[davek]

If we fans want this punishment, we need to let Everton know - and fans of the other 14 need to do the same with their clubs.

I'm disappointed there's seemingly no effort to bring the supporters groups of the 14 (and even any of the 6 that might be on our side) together to state our case collectively.

That was what Everton's fan survey about this was about last week: kick it into the long grass.

Be sure of this: EFC were furious that our plans to build a stadium were in tatters. That was what that was about at base. They will be relieved the threat is off the table and the club behind the scenes wont be pushing for anything other than tweaks to PL voting rights...not points deductions.

 

[number4.]

They're not mutually exclusive, are they?

Punish and then work with them so they never do it again.

I suppose it depands on the nature of the punishment and how it is administered. If as per @brieverton example, the 14 "engaged the lawyers" if they aren't happy with lack of punishment or not punishment at all, that wouldnt lead for calm.

 

[davek]

I suppose it depands on the nature of the punishment and how it is administered. If as per @brieverton example, the 14 "engaged the lawyers" if they aren't happy with lack of punishment or not punishment at all, that wouldnt lead for calm.

The battle is lost if the 14 are having to do the PL and FAs work for them that they refuse to do.

My point is that the authorities can punish the scab 6 AND proceed to work with them. I mean, where else are those clubs going in the foreseeable? They have no option other than to take their well earned medicine and to crack on as part of a 20 team league.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The battle is lost if the 14 are having to do the PL and FAs work for them that they refuse to do.

My point is that the authorities can punish the scab 6 AND proceed to work with them. I mean, where else are those clubs going in the foreseeable? They have no option other than to take their well earned medicine and to crack on as part of a 20 team league.

Exactamundo Dave. The scab six are now damned if they do and damned if they don't. Points deductions - banned from Europe for next season and we all move forward and work together to identify and implement the necessary reforms.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Points deductions or they got away with it.

Simple as that.

I will continue to argue that hitting them on the TV contract (straight split, eliminating prize money and merit fees) will hurt more in the long run, neatly sidesteps the punishment debate and is more likely to get to 14 votes. It also means that they did not "get away with it" since that was never, ever in the frame before the debacle.

They're not mutually exclusive, are they?

Punish and then work with them so they never do it again.

They're not mutually exclusive. I would encourage you to think about it this way, though - punishment and binding restrictions to commit to the league are linked issues, so the harder you punish them the less you can extract in concessions that prevent a repeat performance of this fiasco.

Public opinion is rock solid right now, but that could change - and it just might if these clubs start to be undone by harsh sanctions. Remember that they have more fans than we do, and therefore votes for MPs' seats. A fun but somewhat frivolous study would be figuring out whether or not their votes distribute in such a way as to endanger MPs if their fans flipped on the issue.

 

[number4.]

The battle is lost if the 14 are having to do the PL and FAs work for them that they refuse to do.

My point is that the authorities can punish the scab 6 AND proceed to work with them. I mean, where else are those clubs going in the foreseeable? They have no option other than to take their well earned medicine and to crack on as part of a 20 team league.

I dont disagree - particularly with the "well earned medicine", suspect it is going to end up with effectively suspended sentences & a rule change which will make punishment more clear in future.

I dont see points deductions, transfer bans or European bans happening sadly.

 

[Prevenger17]

which is a tightrope many dont want to walk.

Well hopefully they don't take a lesson from you in tightrope walking. The way you are quite obviously and openly praying your absolute scab of a club don't get hit with sanctions while trying to let on that you are somehow standing in solidarity with the other 14 clubs has been an absolutely laughable effort

 

[number4.]

Well hopefully they don't take a lesson from you in tightrope walking. The way you are quite obviously and openly praying your absolute scab of a club don't get hit with sanctions while trying to let on that you are somehow standing in solidarity with the other 14 clubs has been an absolutely laughable effort

Missed me by a mile Prevenger - I think they should have the book thrown at them & should at a minimum receive a greater punishment than what a club recieves for going into administration, this stunt if followed through ran the risk of putting a heap of clubs in admin and that should be your base for punishment calculation.

But, I'm also a realist, the TV rights are up for negotiation right now, any transfer ban or points deduction makes that less appealing. That is an unfortunate commercial reality & if you have seen any of my posts post covid, I have consistently said that commercial pragmatism will always outweigh the morally correct one. It was was the same with Project restart and will be the same here, as already made clear by Cefferin and UEFA

 

[Prevenger17]

Missed me by a mile Prevenger - I think they should have the book thrown at them & should at a minimum receive a greater punishment than what a club recieves for going into administration, this stunt if followed through ran the risk of putting a heap of clubs in admin and that should be your base for punishment calculation.

But, I'm also a realist, the TV rights are up for negotiation right now, any transfer ban or points deduction makes that less appealing. That is an unfortunate commercial reality & if you have seen any of my posts post covid, I have consistently said that commercial pragmatism will always outweigh the morally correct one. It was was the same with Project restart and will be the same here, as already made clear by Cefferin and UEFA

Pls stop mate. It's actually embarrassing