Champions League revamp

[Lee Smith]

I'd give all 6 of them a 100 points deduction.

Basically meaning they'd been fighting each other to be the ones that avoid relegation next season.

I like it, very gladiatorial

 

[blulouie]

I merely used those three as examples of players who could come in - I think the transfer paradigm of Barca / Real being the holy grail has changed now and Sky will be expected some of those names to be in the PL. No matter what way you dress it up, new signings are exciting are drive viewing, a transfer ban would stagnate that.

Regarding the Leicester arguement, im not so sure - none of their games appeared on "most games watched" lists I had a peak at earlier. I think it was a big story in the UK, but rest of world, I dont think it had the pull of a big audience driving club

And yea, Tottenham - joke on all levels.

Scab 6 get a 20 points deduction.
Transfer ban for 2 years.
FFP gets scrapped altogether.

Everton sign Haarland & Mbappe.

What's not to like.

 

[The binman chronicles]

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people on here seeing the amount of points deduction posts are still being written.

 

[Terrarian]

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people on here seeing the amount of points deduction posts are still being written.

I'll be more than disappointed it's messing with my whole football juju. Not sure if i will continue watching the premier league and as my allegiance is to Everton, i'll be thinking on this hard.

 

[catcherintherye]

I merely used those three as examples of players who could come in - I think the transfer paradigm of Barca / Real being the holy grail has changed now and Sky will be expected some of those names to be in the PL. No matter what way you dress it up, new signings are exciting are drive viewing, a transfer ban would stagnate that.

Regarding the Leicester arguement, im not so sure - none of their games appeared on "most games watched" lists I had a peak at earlier. I think it was a big story in the UK, but rest of world, I dont think it had the pull of a big audience driving club

And yea, Tottenham - joke on all levels.

I'm pretty sure Everton have go the most watched game on that list?

 

[Tin-Tin]

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people on here seeing the amount of points deduction posts are still being written.

Yep all but admitted they wont get a deduction. Best they will get is a stern warning or a £100k fine from UEFA

 

[Dom1878]

I'd give all 6 of them a 100 points deduction.

Basically meaning they'd been fighting each other to be the ones that avoid relegation next season.

That would (a) Be a fitting punishment and (b) Keep it really interesting for the TV. Sky would love it.

This would be an absolutely epic Premier League season.

 

[catcherintherye]

For the point of argument - lets assume a two year transfer ban & a 25 point deduction (pretty much as harsh as it might get right?) & I am assuming you are in agreement that audience projections will drive the influence

If you are a TV station, you want two things.

1) Seeing the biggest players in the league - transfer ban removes the chance of Messi / M'Bappe / Haaland etc. This is vital for the fifa generation, who are tuning in online etc to watch individuals as much as they are a team. It will devalue any deal by not having that possibility.

2) to drive audiences, the biggest teams (in terms of audience) playing the each other at the top of the league is what gets the big numbers. If you look at the top 10 viewed games (pre covid*), everyone of them is a Man United or Liverpool game. If these teams are mid table or not playing for anything by March, it will devalue the deal.

Where it gets complicated though, is if you are a TV station who has paid these clubs disproportionately large sums of money compared to the rest, what you would also want us loyalty and trust. If I'm an exec of Sky, I am asking very serious questions as to how far we can trust these teams, who have off the back of our marketing, revenue, creativity etc have been able to be built up.

On point 2, as I think I've just said, I am almost certain that Everton V Liverpool broke the records of most watched game. I'd also say outside of Liverpool and Manchester United, the rest will be quite close in terms of pull, and in 3-4 years it will likely be different teams filling the space. (Just as 20 years ago you'd have had Newcastle, Leeds, Villa and not Spurs and City or whatever).

If I was an exec, you would pay some attention to trends. I would not want to lose Chelsea, or certainly not City, for the points you outline in 1. Who are the inyk teams who can really muscle people away? Arre Mancheste United or Liverpool growing, or have they reached maturity and going the other way? The amount of sales meetings I sit in, where everything is forward looking abut growth is a bit surprising, but will also inform thinking.

I'm not sure I look at them, and particularly Arsenal and Spurs and think they provide us something say Leeds, or Everton, or Aston Villa can't. It's a cut throat business, and in the end you judge the potential moing forward and growth as much as anything else.

Or, you just look as a CEO and say out of principle those clubs have blown it, and you aren't interested in them anymore. This happens a lot more than you think as well. I'd say 50% of the contracts I win are from execs who have been let down on a personnal level by a business, who in truth are better suited to them than we are, but you know people become very principled about certain points.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

For the point of argument - lets assume a two year transfer ban & a 25 point deduction (pretty much as harsh as it might get right?) & I am assuming you are in agreement that audience projections will drive the influence

If you are a TV station, you want two things.

1) Seeing the biggest players in the league - transfer ban removes the chance of Messi / M'Bappe / Haaland etc. This is vital for the fifa generation, who are tuning in online etc to watch individuals as much as they are a team. It will devalue any deal by not having that possibility.

2) to drive audiences, the biggest teams (in terms of audience) playing the each other at the top of the league is what gets the big numbers. If you look at the top 10 viewed games (pre covid*), everyone of them is a Man United or Liverpool game. If these teams are mid table or not playing for anything by March, it will devalue the deal.

So you’re an expert on tv stations and revenue generation now?

 

[number4.]

I'm pretty sure Everton have go the most watched game on that list?

Only if you look at during covid - the 0-0 was the highest ever. I deliberately looked at pre covid figures only; the BBC and volume of people at home distorts fair comparison

 

[number4.]

Where it gets complicated though, is if you are a TV station who has paid these clubs disproportionately large sums of money compared to the rest, what you would also want us loyalty and trust. If I'm an exec of Sky, I am asking very serious questions as to how far we can trust these teams, who have off the back of our marketing, revenue, creativity etc have been able to be built up.

On point 2, as I think I've just said, I am almost certain that Everton V Liverpool broke the records of most watched game. I'd also say outside of Liverpool and Manchester United, the rest will be quite close in terms of pull, and in 3-4 years it will likely be different teams filling the space. (Just as 20 years ago you'd have had Newcastle, Leeds, Villa and not Spurs and City or whatever).

If I was an exec, you would pay some attention to trends. I would not want to lose Chelsea, or certainly not City, for the points you outline in 1. Who are the inyk teams who can really muscle people away? Arre Mancheste United or Liverpool growing, or have they reached maturity and going the other way? The amount of sales meetings I sit in, where everything is forward looking abut growth is a bit surprising, but will also inform thinking.

I'm not sure I look at them, and particularly Arsenal and Spurs and think they provide us something say Leeds, or Everton, or Aston Villa can't. It's a cut throat business, and in the end you judge the potential moing forward and growth as much as anything else.

Or, you just look as a CEO and say out of principle those clubs have blown it, and you aren't interested in them anymore. This happens a lot more than you think as well. I'd say 50% of the contracts I win are from execs who have been let down on a personnal level by a business, who in truth are better suited to them than we are, but you know people become very principled about certain points.

short reply due to busy day

paid these clubs disproportionately large sums of money compared to the rest??
They are not - the PL distributes a lump sum rather than sky paying clubs different amounts. PL is also the flatest TV distribution of top 5 leagues in Europe

Arre Mancheste United or Liverpool growing, or have they reached maturity?
No - my understanding is global footprint expanding geographically

Everton V Liverpool -already addressed in previous reply

 

[catcherintherye]

Only if you look at during covid - the 0-0 was the highest ever. I deliberately looked at pre covid figures only; the BBC and volume of people at home distorts fair comparison

Why would you omit 2 seasons worth of data though? I mean, respectfully, I'm not sure any data set has much value if we selectively choose what we do or don't include. That's kind of the point of data. It will give you conclusions that may ultimately challenge our pre-conceptions.

 

[number4.]

So you’re an expert on tv stations and revenue generation now?

I have not hidden from day 1 here that I work in that industry - I was very very clear about that in the Restart debate

 

[NathDogg]

They need to be hit and hard, or this never goes away - they are still taking about revisiting and revamping the bleeding thing for god's sake.

The scab 6 and the rest should all have points deducted this season/a ban from uefa competitions (3 year suspended until they qualify)/transfer bans for 3 windows and they're voting rights taken away in pl and uefa matters - they are no more special than the rest of the teams in the competitions, it's bout time they understood that.

The talk or these type of sanctions "devaluing the product" and hitting future TV revenues is bobbins and stupidly short sighted.

These sanctions would level the playing field where ffp has completely failed, whilst also sending a strong message to these crooks that this won't ever be tolerated again.

The innocent clubs will still be buying the players, providing the deadline day excitement, without these morally and financially bankrupt sewer rat clubs muscling in on the negotiations, paying stupid fees and wages - it could be argued that it would be more exciting?

It will also give these nutcase clubs and owners the time to correct their financials and organisations to make them more robust - everybody wins.

"DoNt PuNisH ThE FaNs Do LaaAaa, DaTs NoT FaIr MaTe!"

Just Koff!

 

[catcherintherye]

short reply due to busy day

paid these clubs disproportionately large sums of money compared to the rest??
They are not - the PL distributes a lump sum rather than sky paying clubs different amounts. PL is also the flatest TV distribution of top 5 leagues in Europe

Arre Mancheste United or Liverpool growing, or have they reached maturity?
No - my understanding is global footprint expanding geographically

Everton V Liverpool -already addressed in previous reply

No problems. Just to come back.

1) Ok a bit of a technicality. Sky have provided the funds to the middle man organisation who have them rewardedthese clubs enormously over a prolonged period. I can imagine they would be extremely disappointed and let down by their decision to go and negotiate, potentially with binding documents of theirs, with external parties. In truth in most business relationships, I would say they would want to sever, or at the very least be in favour of compensatory sanctions. Different industries differ, but the idea Sky et al would not be in favour of certain type of sanctions would not be consistent with most business practice.

2) Thats interesting. LFC are not a publicly traded body so can't see their accounts, but the growth in Manchester Uniteds revenues have been declining for some time. Indeed I'd expect to see quite a sharp reduction in turnover. The on field performance has also flatlined as have the value of many commercial sponsorships. I would not put either in the top 5 or 6 growth companies within the top league currently.

3) I have addressed the reply in said thread, so wont repeat,