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Champions League revamp

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catcherintherye said:
Why would you omit 2 seasons worth of data though? I mean, respectfully, I'm not sure any data set has much value if we selectively choose what we do or don't include. That's kind of the point of data. It will give you conclusions that may ultimately challenge our pre-conceptions.
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If you are including it, Southampton V Man City is the most watched PL game of all time. I think we all agree that Covid, through the BBC airing of some games and the very nature of the % increased TV eyes distorts the data.

Also, not to mention the unprecedented hiatus that lead to incredible viewing figures on return, the derby being the highest I think.

I have no doubt the bundesliga saw huge viewing in the UK relative to normal when they kicked back off post lockdown 1 - but it doesnt make that the norm.
 
number4. said:
If you are including it, Southampton V Man City is the most watched PL game of all time. I think we all agree that Covid, through the BBC airing of some games and the very nature of the % increased TV eyes distorts the data.

Also, not to mention the unprecedented hiatus that lead to incredible viewing figures on return, the derby being the highest I think.

I have no doubt the bundesliga saw huge viewing in the UK relative to normal when they kicked back off post lockdown 1 - but it doesnt make that the norm.
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I mean I'd rather just agree that what the stats say has validity over the opinions of me, you or anyone else.

The derby game was not on BBC but Sky. It was highly watched.

If I was a TV exec, I would be thinking that maybe some of these clubs who we haven't marketed much might have rather large upside potential if we gave them some of the optimum slots. I'm pretty sure that is what the more astute in those offices are thinking too.

What this super League and it's collapse has shown, now without any doubt whatsoever, is that any such project is commerially inviable, and these teams need the PL more than the PL needs them. I have been saying that for some time. I believe I even said to you. If they go, the project would be bust very quickly. In fairness, I didn't see it collapsing after 2 days like, but the general point remains.
 
Reading that Italian federation approved new regulation that would kick clubs from Serie A if they participate in competition not approved by UEFA and FIFA, basically if they tried to join Super League again they would be automatically kicked out from Serie A
 
catcherintherye said:
I mean I'd rather just agree that what the stats say has validity over the opinions of me, you or anyone else.

The derby game was not on BBC but Sky. It was highly watched.

If I was a TV exec, I would be thinking that maybe some of these clubs who we haven't marketed much might have rather large upside potential if we gave them some of the optimum slots. I'm pretty sure that is what the more astute in those offices are thinking too.

What this super League and it's collapse has shown, now without any doubt whatsoever, is that any such project is commerially inviable, and these teams need the PL more than the PL needs them. I have been saying that for some time. I believe I even said to you. If they go, the project would be bust very quickly. In fairness, I didn't see it collapsing after 2 days like, but the general point remains.
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the stats show number of people; but it will be judged as a % share of audience at that time. I'm not going through BARB data to check, but I would imagine derby was aligned to standard share but in a bigger pool

Re last paragraph - 100% agree, I think we were both very much aligned; one goes they all go
 

Martin Alvito said:
I will continue to argue that hitting them on the TV contract (straight split, eliminating prize money and merit fees) will hurt more in the long run, neatly sidesteps the punishment debate and is more likely to get to 14 votes. It also means that they did not "get away with it" since that was never, ever in the frame before the debacle.



They're not mutually exclusive. I would encourage you to think about it this way, though - punishment and binding restrictions to commit to the league are linked issues, so the harder you punish them the less you can extract in concessions that prevent a repeat performance of this fiasco.

Public opinion is rock solid right now, but that could change - and it just might if these clubs start to be undone by harsh sanctions. Remember that they have more fans than we do, and therefore votes for MPs' seats. A fun but somewhat frivolous study would be figuring out whether or not their votes distribute in such a way as to endanger MPs if their fans flipped on the issue.
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I think you underestimate the amount of damage done to this "elite" group of teams. They are finished as aggressors for a generation. Their owners and officers will barely survive as the hieraerchies they are at each club.

That hands the authorities maximum scope to punish next season AND make long term changes to tv deals and voting rights.

I read people saying either / or we do this or that with them - it's ridiculous. They had a blade at the throat of football and they were taken down comprehensively and have no hand to play. They have to be punished according to the natue of the crime.

Imagine the outrage when another EPL club gets points deducted aftet going into administration? The league could never make that stick anymore.
 
davek said:
I think you underestimate the amount of damage done to this "elite" group of teams. They are finished as aggressors for a generation. Their owners and officers will barely survive as the hieraerchies they are at each club.

That hands the authorities maximum scope to punish next season AND make long term changes to tv deals and voting rights.

I read people saying either / or we do this or that with them - it's ridiculous. They had a blade at the throat of football and they were taken down comprehensively and have no hand to play. They have to be punished according to the natue of the crime.

Imagine the outrage when another EPL club gets points deducted aftet going into administration? The league could never make that stick anymore.
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No uproar when the new Wigan owner bet on them going down and when they looked like staying up he put them in administration, been in charge for something like 4 months
 

davek said:
I think you underestimate the amount of damage done to this "elite" group of teams. They are finished as aggressors for a generation. Their owners and officers will barely survive as the hieraerchies they are at each club.

That hands the authorities maximum scope to punish next season AND make long term changes to tv deals and voting rights.

I read people saying either / or we do this or that with them - it's ridiculous. They had a blade at the throat of football and they were taken down comprehensively and have no hand to play. They have to be punished according to the natue of the crime.

Imagine the outrage when another EPL club gets points deducted aftet going into administration? The league could never make that stick anymore.
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the big difference is there is a fixed penalty for administration, there is not for a breach of Rule 9.

One outcome in the next few weeks will be clear punishments for a future breach
 
Someone put my mind at ease with facts please- just had this thought....

If Real Madrid are still refusing to drop the ESL, but the rs have - if UEFA boot Real out of the runners up cup and reinstate the rs ..... we know how that will end.
 

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