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Champions League revamp

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roydo said:
Why?
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For the point of argument - lets assume a two year transfer ban & a 25 point deduction (pretty much as harsh as it might get right?) & I am assuming you are in agreement that audience projections will drive the influence

If you are a TV station, you want two things.

1) Seeing the biggest players in the league - transfer ban removes the chance of Messi / M'Bappe / Haaland etc. This is vital for the fifa generation, who are tuning in online etc to watch individuals as much as they are a team. It will devalue any deal by not having that possibility.

2) to drive audiences, the biggest teams (in terms of audience) playing the each other at the top of the league is what gets the big numbers. If you look at the top 10 viewed games (pre covid*), everyone of them is a Man United or Liverpool game. If these teams are mid table or not playing for anything by March, it will devalue the deal.
 

number4. said:
Missed me by a mile Prevenger - I think they should have the book thrown at them & should at a minimum receive a greater punishment than what a club recieves for going into administration, this stunt if followed through ran the risk of putting a heap of clubs in admin and that should be your base for punishment calculation.

But, I'm also a realist, the TV rights are up for negotiation right now, any transfer ban or points deduction makes that less appealing. That is an unfortunate commercial reality & if you have seen any of my posts post covid, I have consistently said that commercial pragmatism will always outweigh the morally correct one. It was was the same with Project restart and will be the same here, as already made clear by Cefferin and UEFA
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I'd give all 6 of them a 100 points deduction.

Basically meaning they'd been fighting each other to be the ones that avoid relegation next season.

That would (a) Be a fitting punishment and (b) Keep it really interesting for the TV. Sky would love it.
 
number4. said:
For the point of argument - lets assume a two year transfer ban & a 25 point deduction (pretty much as harsh as it might get right?) & I am assuming you are in agreement that audience projections will drive the influence

If you are a TV station, you want two things.

1) Seeing the biggest players in the league - transfer ban removes the chance of Messi / M'Bappe / Haaland etc. This is vital for the fifa generation, who are tuning in online etc to watch individuals as much as they are a team. It will devalue any deal by not having that possibility.

2) to drive audiences, the biggest teams (in terms of audience) playing the each other at the top of the league is what gets the big numbers. If you look at the top 10 viewed games (pre covid*), everyone of them is a Man United or Liverpool game. If these teams are mid table or not playing for anything by March, it will devalue the deal.
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Well, a few things that perhaps suggest the story you tell is not quite the reality.

None of those players are in the PL, yet its been the largest global league for years. Why is that then?

Also, I would suggest that the biggest single PL event that made the biggest global splash/rise in clicks, was Leicester winning it.

I am not saying the bigger clubs are not attractive, obvs they are, but I think you have swallowed the narrative that those with an interest in you swallowing it have peddled for ages.

Oh, Tottenham Hotspur, European Super League? lol
 
number4. said:
For the point of argument - lets assume a two year transfer ban & a 25 point deduction (pretty much as harsh as it might get right?) & I am assuming you are in agreement that audience projections will drive the influence

If you are a TV station, you want two things.

1) Seeing the biggest players in the league - transfer ban removes the chance of Messi / M'Bappe / Haaland etc. This is vital for the fifa generation, who are tuning in online etc to watch individuals as much as they are a team. It will devalue any deal by not having that possibility.

2) to drive audiences, the biggest teams (in terms of audience) playing the each other at the top of the league is what gets the big numbers. If you look at the top 10 viewed games (pre covid*), everyone of them is a Man United or Liverpool game. If these teams are mid table or not playing for anything by March, it will devalue the deal.
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And this is the rubbish that makes the top 6 get away with attempted murder, the 6 clubs need the 14 more then the 14 need them and that’s the problem, everyone things it’s the other way round.
The PL will survive withthe 6
The 6 won’t survive with the PL

if anything a transfer ban and points deduction would make the league far far more interesting then seeing City with Haaland and Mbappe winning 5-0 every game
 

roydo said:
Well, a few things that perhaps suggest the story you tell is not quite the reality.

None of those players are in the PL, yet its been the largest global league for years. Why is that then?

Also, I would suggest that the biggest single PL event that made the biggest global splash/rise in clicks, was Leicester winning it.

I am not saying the bigger clubs are not attractive, obvs they are, but I think you have swallowed the narrative that those with an interest in you swallowing it have peddled for ages.

Oh, Tottenham Hotspur, European Super League? lol
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I merely used those three as examples of players who could come in - I think the transfer paradigm of Barca / Real being the holy grail has changed now and Sky will be expected some of those names to be in the PL. No matter what way you dress it up, new signings are exciting are drive viewing, a transfer ban would stagnate that.

Regarding the Leicester arguement, im not so sure - none of their games appeared on "most games watched" lists I had a peak at earlier. I think it was a big story in the UK, but rest of world, I dont think it had the pull of a big audience driving club

And yea, Tottenham - joke on all levels.
 
MrGrumpy said:
And this is the rubbish that makes the top 6 get away with attempted murder, the 6 clubs need the 14 more then the 14 need th and that’s the problem, everyone things it’s the other way round.
The PL will survive with the 6
The 6 won’t survive with the PL

if anything a transfer ban and points deduction would make the league far far more interesting then seeing City with Haaland and Mbappe winning 5-0 every game
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PL will definitely survive without the 6, but it would be very very different. Find me a chairperson of the 14 who thinks getting rid of them would be a good idea

Re transfer ban - agree it would be interesting, although city are so well stocked I dont think it would be an issue, all I am pointing out is from a TV rights point of view, a transfer ban would devalue them, possibly only slightly but I would certainly reduce the number
 
roydo said:
Well, a few things that perhaps suggest the story you tell is not quite the reality.

None of those players are in the PL, yet its been the largest global league for years. Why is that then?

Also, I would suggest that the biggest single PL event that made the biggest global splash/rise in clicks, was Leicester winning it.

I am not saying the bigger clubs are not attractive, obvs they are, but I think you have swallowed the narrative that those with an interest in you swallowing it have peddled for ages.

Oh, Tottenham Hotspur, European Super League? lol
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Tell you right now the TV right will go up whatever happens. Amazon want matches and willing to pay and sky are hopefully going to lose half their matches
 
number4. said:
PL will definitely survive without the 6, but it would be very very different. Find me a chairperson of the 14 who thinks getting rid of them would be a good idea

Re transfer ban - agree it would be interesting, although city are so well stocked I dont think it would be an issue, all I am pointing out is from a TV rights point of view, a transfer ban would devalue them, possibly only slightly but I would certainly reduce the number
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Amazon want games, they have the money and the will, sky have new owners who want more games if possible, BT probably want more games. Someone else might get involved
 
number4. said:
Regarding the Leicester arguement, im not so sure - none of their games appeared on "most games watched" lists I had a peak at earlier. I think it was a big story in the UK, but rest of world, I dont think it had the pull of a big audience driving club
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That doesnt surprise me in the least; it wasnt till the last few weeks that the reality became accepted as a possibility that they could win it.

But as an event that promoted the PL brand, globally, it was far bigger than a United or City winning it that season.
 

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