Club Direction

[Chewbacca]

Quite clearly the exception and not the rule

Is this the law? Why can’t we do it?

 

[Arteta10]

Is this the law? Why can’t we do it?

Because at the moment our squad is full of gash players and the last time we played we got beat 3-1 at home by a relegated side.

If you want to live in fantasy land feel free. But there is nigh on 0 chance of us winning the league next year come on

 

[granter79]

Have a day off mate will you. Everything is so negative with you. This forum is getting worse by the day .

 

[D*ck Solomon]

We've got one of the best managers in Europe and a new stadium on the horizon. The club is in a much better place than it has been for a long while IMO. Have a little faith.

 

[Chewbacca]

Because at the moment our squad is full of gash players and the last time we played we got beat 3-1 at home by a relegated side.

If you want to live in fantasy land feel free. But there is nigh on 0 chance of us winning the league next year come on

The day before their championship winning season I could not have named more than 2 of their squad. It was “full of gash players”. They had a good manager, got a great start and suffered very lightly with injuries and suspension.

Do I expect us to win the league? No.

Will I still be hopeful we can? Of course

 

[Arteta10]

The day before their championship winning season I could not have named more than 2 of their squad. It was “full of gash players”. They had a good manager, got a great start and suffered very lightly with injuries and suspension.

Do I expect us to win the league? No.

Will I still be hopeful we can? Of course

The fact that you could not name any of their squad doesnt automatically make them gash lol

They had Vardy, Mahrez and Kante, those 3 would have got into any team in the league that season.

Anyway, you're basically saying exactly what i said in my original post now 'of course we all want Everton to win the league but we have to be realistic'

 

[Jamalio Danubio DiCanio]

We need to look at Spurs, Atletico Madrid (although not recently for either) Lille, Borussia Dortmund, Atalanta, Leipzig. The niche is there for a Premiership club to develop along these lines. We have to maximise the cards we are dealt.

Excluding Spurs I think you need to take into account the strength of those leagues and how much easier it is to get European football in Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

Based on available resources, all those teams, bar Atalanta, would be expected to come Top 6 in their respective leagues and therefore qualify for european football on a regular basis. A fair few should qualify for CL every season. That's with the natural peaks and troughs that come with a sell to buy policy.

In comparison we have revenues that around 7th or 8th best in our league. Compared to the Top6 we have revenues that are less than half then them all. We are closer to Leicester (who will over take us next season in terms of revenue), Wolves, West Ham and Newcastle than the Top 6.

I think tthe difficulty of getting regularly European football hinders the ability to be a successful buy to sell club, like those you listed. You need to be viewed as a good stepping stone for players who are elite talents but not yet ready to play for CL challenger. Playing in CL or Europa provides a hugely visible platform for players at the likes of Dortmund, Lille, Lyon, RBL to shine. In comparison playing mid-table Premier League football doesn't necessarily do that.

I think we may want to look at the likes of Wolves and Leicester as our models. Or Spurs before them. They've managed to get European football when starting from a similar position. Our aim over the next 3-5 seasons should be to qualify for Europe more than 50% of the time.

 

[D*ck Solomon]

Will be sound when sell Richarlison for £70-100 Million and Kean starts banging them in.

Yay another fellow day drinker! Cheers !

 

[Dymak]

But do you think it is possible with the squad we've currently got to finish top 4 next year?

Personally I dont think so.

But I do think it could be possible in 2 or 3 years if we make the right additions year on year, which is why i would be relatively happy with 8th place and a semi final appearance this year, we would be at least going in the right direction

I think if we manage to upgrade on the worst central midfield in the league, which is what appears to be taking place, then we can more than match Leicester's battle for a top 4 place that was seen this season.

 

[billyblue80]

We can't target only younger players when our spine is broken. Hence getting some ready made players as well.

 

[D*ck Solomon]

Excluding Spurs I think you need to take into account the strength of those leagues and how much easier it is to get European football in Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

Based on available resources, all those teams, bar Atalanta, would be expected to come Top 6 in their respective leagues and therefore qualify for european football on a regular basis. A fair few should qualify for CL every season. That's with the natural peaks and troughs that come with a sell to buy policy.

In comparison we have revenues that around 7th or 8th best in our league. Compared to the Top6 we have revenues that are less than half then them all. We are closer to Leicester (who will over take us next season in terms of revenue), Wolves, West Ham and Newcastle than the Top 6.

I think tthe difficulty of getting regularly European football hinders the ability to be a successful buy to sell club, like those you listed. You need to be viewed as a good stepping stone for players who are elite talents but not yet ready to play for CL challenger. Playing in CL or Europa provides a hugely visible platform for players at the likes of Dortmund, Lille, Lyon, RBL to shine. In comparison playing mid-table Premier League football doesn't necessarily do that.

I think we may want to look at the likes of Wolves and Leicester as our models. Or Spurs before them. They've managed to get European football when starting from a similar position. Our aim over the next 3-5 seasons should be to qualify for Europe more than 50% of the time.

The last paragraph makes me sad. I see that Wolves side (and the Leicester one especially a couple of seasons ago) and look at the players they have got. They are nowhere near as big as us yet you could probably drop 5/6 players from both of their starting 11's into ours with ease. These are both sides that were in a lower league not long ago. That is depressing. Still, keep the faith.

Recruitment over the next 12 months is massive. Thats why I am not bothered about Doucoure. Allan though... yes please.

 

[Jamalio Danubio DiCanio]

Half agree, half disagree, I don't think we are big at all right now because big clubs win stuff, nobody other than Everton fans gives a toss about us really. Sleeping giant though certainly. There is a middle ground to be had, it's not just big or pathetic.

I don't have Leicester or Spurs down as big clubs either by the way.

If anything I find us a bit boring right now, nowhere near winning anything, never in any real danger of going down, out of the cups by February, we merely exist.

Outside of the bubble of Everton supporters (and Liverpool as a city), I don't think we are viewed either as pathetic or a big club.

I travel all across the country with work and therefore have the opportunity to speak to fans of other clubs. I would say most aren't bothered about us. Not in a disparaging way, just in an ambivalent manner. They see our history and respect our fanbase but equally we aren't viewed as a big club by many. By many we are more viewed as similar to West Ham, Newcastle, Villa than the likes of United, City, Arsenal and Chelsea.

It's hard not to agree given the lack of trophies or strong league campaigns over a concerted period. Got to think prospective players we target look at us similarly. Maybe even foreign players wouldn't get the history or fanbase element either.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

The day before their championship winning season I could not have named more than 2 of their squad. It was “full of gash players”. They had a good manager, got a great start and suffered very lightly with injuries and suspension.

Do I expect us to win the league? No.

Will I still be hopeful we can? Of course

One thing you could say with hindsight is that they ended the season before by stringing together an impressive run of results to escape relegation.
We , on the other hand, have just ended the season heading towards relegation.
We aren’t winning or even challenging for the title this season.

 

[brieverton]

Excluding Spurs I think you need to take into account the strength of those leagues and how much easier it is to get European football in Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

Based on available resources, all those teams, bar Atalanta, would be expected to come Top 6 in their respective leagues and therefore qualify for european football on a regular basis. A fair few should qualify for CL every season. That's with the natural peaks and troughs that come with a sell to buy policy.

In comparison we have revenues that around 7th or 8th best in our league. Compared to the Top6 we have revenues that are less than half then them all. We are closer to Leicester (who will over take us next season in terms of revenue), Wolves, West Ham and Newcastle than the Top 6.

I think tthe difficulty of getting regularly European football hinders the ability to be a successful buy to sell club, like those you listed. You need to be viewed as a good stepping stone for players who are elite talents but not yet ready to play for CL challenger. Playing in CL or Europa provides a hugely visible platform for players at the likes of Dortmund, Lille, Lyon, RBL to shine. In comparison playing mid-table Premier League football doesn't necessarily do that.

I think we may want to look at the likes of Wolves and Leicester as our models. Or Spurs before them. They've managed to get European football when starting from a similar position. Our aim over the next 3-5 seasons should be to qualify for Europe more than 50% of the time.

You make very valid points, I think the progession at Spurs from a decade ago is an achievable model for us, albeit they have structural advantages over us and have been much better run in that time. They had been in Arsenals shadow for more than a generation, no regular European football, repeated false starts, wasted money and a managerial merry-go-round.

Even as bad as we have been, European qualification via the league isn't a million miles off and even a modest improvement would have us near enough. Getting it consistently is another matter.

Premiership football has a wage structure and profile that is attractive per se, and whilst European football is critical to us, if it was the Europa League, I think the early stages of that competition are not all that to a lot of players, not that we are in a position to dismiss it.

I don't think we know enough about Wolves and Leicester to say definitively they are going to sustain their positions over the longer-term. I admire their progress, but at the same time we should not big them up too much. They are not Madrid. I think Rodgers is over-rated, and you wonder what might befall Wolves if and when Espirito Santo leaves. Stability has been a big factor in Wolves success.

 

[Jamalio Danubio DiCanio]

The last paragraph makes me sad. I see that Wolves side (and the Leicester one especially a couple of seasons ago) and look at the players they have got. They are nowhere near as big as us yet you could probably drop 5/6 players from both of their starting 11's into ours with ease. These are both sides that were in a lower league not long ago. That is depressing. Still, keep the faith.

Recruitment over the next 12 months is massive. Thats why I am not bothered about Doucoure. Allan though... yes please.

Agree.

Got to ask yourself whether a hypothetical target would rather join us, Leicester or Wolves this summer?

Taking away any bias, we'd be 3rd choice out of those teams for the vast majority of players. Like you said a good 12 months and things can change though. What we need is a good 12 months followed by another good 12 months. Once you start putting together 2-3 years of progress then you know you are on to something.

Much easier said than done though