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Crystal Palace v Everton. 9th November @ 15.00.

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I seem to be monopolising this forum (must be a time zone phenomenon). In short, I think we are seeing a true transitional year only now starting to manifest itself. I feel the dreesing room has not bought into the new philosophy and after 11 years of a previous culture, this is not surprising. Look at how poorly Liverpool were last year while Brenda implemented his footballing ambitions. Of course, our rivals have a vastly bigger budget to facilitate the implementation of a 'culture change'.

Pity is that is football has been ruined by money and consequent ego. As fans, we need to understand that modern players are all about themselves. As the Bible says : the love of money is the root of all evil
 

bicycleheader said:
Has everybody calmed down yet?
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If you view it as WIP then not really wound up yet me, more pleased that due to circumstances beyond my control I did not get up in the middle of the night to watch the last two gash 0-0's

But yes when I do sit down and watch it in the cold light of day it does my crust in to see, albeit from the other end of the football spectrum than OFM, just another Poor Plan A, no Plan B.


Vary it a bit, keep em guessing... mind you it doesn't help that in any game over the last few weeks 3 or 4 are formwise stinking the place out and not the same 3 or 4

Viewed from that perspective is a draw a bonus??

The cry was Paste Palace...if we don't book our ideas up we'll be the ones getting pasted
 
...no matter how poor the team at the bottom of the league are they will win games. That's what happens in football and is why there are cup upsets. The key disappointment for me was not so much the lack of goals but the lack of creation. Their goalie hardly had a touch in the 2nd half. We are playing now as we did in those first few games of the season.
 
68 pages before the roasties are in the oven..... 'KIN ELL!

I've long been thinking of noting how many pages are posted in response to results. I highly suspect people post more when we lose/have an off day/draw. Log out and get back on Footy Manager, ya meffs :p
 
mythbuster said:
68 pages before the roasties are in the oven..... 'KIN ELL!

I've long been thinking of noting how many pages are posted in response to results. I highly suspect people post more when we lose/have an off day/draw. Log out and get back on Footy Manager, ya meffs :p
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Dead right mate. When the performance and attitude 'stinks', the fans are more vociferous. And I think that is ok
 

ART said:
I put it to the room Lukaku is getting found out and Mc Carthy is an also ran
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We're in serious trouble if you're right, and I don't think you are.

Lukaku has had a very good 15 months at WBA and here, so I think it's a big call to say he's been found out in two weeks.

If McCarthy is an also ran, whatever that's supposed to mean, that calls Martinez' judgement into question and then we
really are in trouble.

Look, nothing stays the same, and we're quite likely to come out next time and look entirely different from what we have
in the last couple of weeks. Our record at home is excellent, even allowing for bad days.
 
Eggs said:
...no matter how poor the team at the bottom of the league are they will win games. That's what happens in football and is why there are cup upsets. The key disappointment for me was not so much the lack of goals but the lack of creation. Their goalie hardly had a touch in the 2nd half. We are playing now as we did in those first few games of the season.
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... but what about Villa, Eggs? For me, I think the quality of the opposition is irrelevant in this criticism of our play, firstly because we've played to a similar standard against top (Spurs), middle (Villa) and bottom (Palace) of the table teams and secondly (probably an explanation of the first, really) because Martinez believes in, and is in the process of implementing, a style that transcends all opposition.

It doesn't matter if you're playing Palace or Arsenal, you keep possession to win games. You don't panic, rush, make unnecessary clearances, making hopeful punts - don't give it away cheaply. What was most infuriating was the possession-from-the-back game from Howard, Jags and Distin. In truth, they are 3 poor footballers and our centre halves excel most the less they have the ball - they pass between each other when the fullbacks are open, they miss crucial windows of opportunity to get it to Barry or McCarthy when they make half a yard for themselves, and once they dally too long and the options are all dried up they pass back to Howard for him to smash it 60+ yards to noone anyway.

That, to me, is infuriating. You keep possession to open up space for players, and it works because it only takes a couple between the defenders for Barry or McCarthy to break free of their man, but on nearly every occasion the centre halves are just too scared to make a quick, short pass forward. That unnecessary hesitancy and pondering renders it pointless because, once it's gone back to Howard, we've just taken 60 seconds to kick it upfield with noone in a position to challenge (as the whole team has dropped deep to play it out from the back) instead of 10 to kick it up to where we can at least get men challenging for it.

It's really poor stuff and I think it's affecting our performances quite heavily.
 
Royal Blue Jersey said:
... but what about Villa, Eggs? For me, I think the quality of the opposition is irrelevant in this criticism of our play, firstly because we've played to a similar standard against top (Spurs), middle (Villa) and bottom (Palace) of the table teams and secondly (probably an explanation of the first, really) because Martinez believes in, and is in the process of implementing, a style that transcends all opposition.

It doesn't matter if you're playing Palace or Arsenal, you keep possession to win games. You don't panic, rush, make unnecessary clearances, making hopeful punts - don't give it away cheaply. What was most infuriating was the possession-from-the-back game from Howard, Jags and Distin. In truth, they are 3 poor footballers and our centre halves excel most the less they have the ball - they pass between each other when the fullbacks are open, they miss crucial windows of opportunity to get it to Barry or McCarthy when they make half a yard for themselves, and once they dally too long and the options are all dried up they pass back to Howard for him to smash it 60+ yards to noone anyway.

That, to me, is infuriating. You keep possession to open up space for players, and it works because it only takes a couple between the defenders for Barry or McCarthy to break free of their man, but on nearly every occasion the centre halves are just too scared to make a quick, short pass forward. That unnecessary hesitancy and pondering renders it pointless because, once it's gone back to Howard, we've just taken 60 seconds to kick it upfield with noone in a position to challenge (as the whole team has dropped deep to play it out from the back) instead of 10 to kick it up to where we can at least get men challenging for it.

It's really poor stuff and I think it's affecting our performances quite heavily.
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Good post and agree totally
 
faddy the blue said:
Osman, Mccarthy and Barry are the three that play centrally and not one of them is a forward bursting player with a bit of pace. Pienaar is Pienaar and Mirallas needs to do a lot more. One of Deulofeu and Barkley need to start or drop Osman and play Naismith or Jelavic to support Lukaku like Barkley did.

A 5 man midfield out of which no one links up with Lukaku won't help.
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Not the worst idea I've heard, when I think about it, but are any of the next three games the ones where you'd experiment?
 

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