David Moyes interview.

[JobForTheMoyes]

I personally think that our delusions of grandeur have become more of a state than celebrating 4th and 5th placed finishes. Especially when at least one half of our support will be arguing that Silva's failure to match Allardyce's points total is an indicator of progress.

What I do not get is all this crap about how games have to be won with style, etc. It should be about leaving everything on the pitch and winning games as much as possible. Obviously we all want to be entertained, but winning often makes even the most agricultural of football styles fun to watch if it is your team winning.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Record defeats are record defeats, no matter what the sob story that goes with them.

But it was the routine maulings versus the "top clubs" that mark his era. He just laid down and died in front of them.

Let no one forget amongst all the BS about "solid defences under Moyes" that we experienced an avalanche of goals when he sent us out, and on a regular basis.

There was no "solid defence" under him. Forget that myth.

Roberto certainly put that particular myth to bed!

 

[Papa Shango]

Hmmm, not sure I agree really Moyes and Martinez were hamstrung Moyes especially. Its correct we won sod all but really we shouldnt have expected to...the very fact we did was down to Moyes building a very solid side...with shockingly meagre funds.

He had 11 years and regardless of what he had to spend he did in fact build a good side. A side that should have came close to winning something or at least showed up against the "big teams".

 

[GwladysPhil]

You can't ignore the context in both of those though mate; 6-1 was 100% about Lescott, 7-0 we had secured 4th about a week prior, bookends of the same season I believe?

...a season where we had almost a whole squad of Naismiths and Niasses, yet nowdays we turn our noses up at players of this ilk, as if we are somehow above having to work hard for results now.

I think that's why the atmosphere can get a bit frustrating - we're used to seeing work horses all game.

 

[Papa Shango]

You can't ignore the context in both of those though mate; 6-1 was 100% about Lescott, 7-0 we had secured 4th about a week prior, bookends of the same season I believe?

...a season where we had almost a whole squad of Naismiths and Niasses, yet nowdays we turn our noses up at players of this ilk, as if we are somehow above having to work hard for results now.

I would have sacked him after the 7-0. I don't care what happened before hand. We are Everton, we don't get beat 7-0.

Lescott was no worse than anyone else in the 6-1 game.

The 4-0 thrashings by Bolton, Aston Villa and West Brom concerned me more. Oh and the 5-1 defeat to Dynamo Bucharest, a game in which we were laughing at how bad the Bucharest players were in the first half and then boom, we got battered. Boss at organizing a defence though...

We accepted it though because no funds etc etc....

 

[davek]

Roberto certainly put that particular myth to bed!

Well, two heavy derby defeats, Kiev, and Arsenal and Chelsea gave us a hiding.

5 big losses in three seasons is a better rate than Moyes 17 in 11 seasons.

...but Moyes "was a more defensively solid manager".

Utter bunkum that needs laying to rest.

 

[davek]

I would have sacked him after the 7-0. I don't care what happened before hand. We are Everton, we don't get beat 7-0.

Lescott was no worse than anyone else in the 6-1 game.

The 4-0 thrashings by Bolton, Aston Villa and West Brom concerned me more. Boss at organizing a defence though...

He laid it all at Lescott's door like the 'kin coward he was.

 

[Sy-]

Record defeats are record defeats, no matter what the sob story that goes with them.

But it was the routine maulings versus the "top clubs" that mark his era. He just laid down and died in front of them.

Let no one forget amongst all the BS about "solid defences under Moyes" that we experienced an avalanche of goals when he sent us out, and on a regular basis.

There was no "solid defence" under him. Forget that myth.

It was solid and organised, I think that in itself became the problem when he came up against footballing sides because he knew no other approach, you just end up a rabbit in headlights when it starts to go bad.

This is why Martinez's first season was the best we've seen in about 30 years. For that one season he had the legacy organization of a Moyes defence combined with Roberto's more attacking philosophy.

A season later the organization wore off and we've never been the same since. I think it reflects in the atmosphere at Goodison too, in Moyes era going 1-0 up we could almost start to celebrate at that stage because we always have a decent chance of a clean sheet, stark contrast to now where we need to be about 3-0 up, even against the likes of Fulham.

 

[davek]

It was solid and organised, I think that in itself became the problem when he came up against footballing sides because he knew no other approach, you just end up a rabbit in headlights when it starts to go bad.

This is why Martinez's first season was the best we've seen in about 30 years. For that one season he had the legacy organization of a Moyes defence combined with Roberto's more attacking philosophy.

A season later the organization wore off and we've never been the same since, I think it reflects in the atmosphere at Goodison too. In Moyes era going 1-0 up we could almost start to celebrate at that stage because we always have a decent chance of a clean sheet, stark contrast to now where we need to be about 3-0 up, even against the likes of Fulham.

With respect mate, this is the myth that needs to be laid to rest. Quite besides that list of 4, 5, 6, 7 goal hammerings we also shipped a lot of 3 goals in games and were not anywhere near the type of defence that people see through the rose tinted specs. We were ALWAYS fragile from set pieces. We were ALWAYS poor at defending counter attacking teams.

We have'nt had a well set up team since Joe Royle came in and sorted us out.

 

[Papa Shango]

It was solid and organised, I think that in itself became the problem when he came up against footballing sides because he knew no other approach, you just end up a rabbit in headlights when it starts to go bad.

This is why Martinez's first season was the best we've seen in about 30 years. For that one season he had the legacy organization of a Moyes defence combined with Roberto's more attacking philosophy.

A season later the organization wore off and we've never been the same since. I think it reflects in the atmosphere at Goodison too, in Moyes era going 1-0 up we could almost start to celebrate at that stage because we always have a decent chance of a clean sheet, stark contrast to now where we need to be about 3-0 up, even against the likes of Fulham.

Nah there is a difference between being organized and being solid.

That defence never ever stepped up when we needed them most, that was always the problem. Ignoring the hammerings we took under him (which always seem to get ignored) we generally would keep it tight against the likes of a Newcastle or a Middlesborough but when push came to shove we always cracked, look at the Liverpool cup semi for example.

 

[Sy-]

Nah there is a difference between being organized and being solid.

That defence never ever stepped up when we needed them most, that was always the problem. Ignoring the hammerings we took under him (which always seem to get ignored) we generally would keep it tight against the likes of a Newcastle or a Middlesborough but when push came to shove we always cracked, look at the Liverpool cup semi for example.

Agree mate, I'm no Moyes defender when it came to cracking when it mattered, he was too stubborn to be anything other than conservative and rigid when we actually needed to go out and win.

Only reason I brought the Martinez transition season into the equation is because for one season we saw what 10 years of ingrained organization combined with counter attacking philosophy could be like. The attacking approach became another layer of defense, we subsequently saw in the following 2 season what happens when you don't persist with both, these are the deflating scorelines I remember the most.

I get the bit about hammerings, I think a lot of us have just become adept over the years at blanking these from memory as soon as the final whistle is blown!

 

[Thomasc]

it was fun for a while under Moyes. Nice to get back to the right end of the table, some nice tight games we got through with a fairly limited side.

He just stayed too long maybe, but then again that is debatable as we were still finishing in the top 6 even in his last season.

His best sides were very good, jags and Lescott or Distin, Baines in his prime with Stevie P on the left, Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini and AJ or Yak, would have been nice to have won something with that group of players but wasn’t to be.

He did turd on us when he left, but I don’t care any more. He’s far from “gone into better things” in fact his career went badly backwards after the Man U gig.

He’s basically just white noise filling air time now.

 

[WA Toffee]

What I do not get is all this crap about how games have to be won with style, etc. It should be about leaving everything on the pitch and winning games as much as possible. Obviously we all want to be entertained, but winning often makes even the most agricultural of football styles fun to watch if it is your team winning.

And that is why England will never win the World cup

 

[twoblue]

Seeing through about four separate contracts over a 11 year period doesn't exactly strike me as someone that left at the first opportunity.

I don't see Silva coming anywhere close to matching Moyes' achievements (4th and 5th place finishes, cup finals, getting out of the group stages in Europe etc). In fact, it will be no surprise if Silva fails to even match Allardyce's points total.

Based on what I’ve seen so far, if we finish above 14th and f

Absolute humpings we took during his time here. He handed us a joint record defeat in our 140 year history: 7-0 away to Arsenal. He gave us our worst home defeat since the 1950s with a 6-1 defeat against Arsenal.

Seventeen times we were spanked in 11 seasons:

Chelsea 4-1
Chelsea (again) 4-1
City 5-1
Arsenal 7-0
Spurs 5-2
Arsenal 4-1
Bucharest 5-1
WBA 4-0
Bolton 4-0
Villa 4-0
Chelsea 4-1
Blackburn 4-1
United 4-1
Arsenal 4-1
Arsenal 6-1
Benfica 5-0
WBA 4-1


"solid defence" "pride in the shirt" "disciplined"


....blah, blah, blah.

 

[twoblue]

So less than twice a season. If fact about 1.5

How has that compared since. Genuine question