David Moyes interview.

[fandjango]

Judas SCUM that ruined this club.

Idiotic

 

[Johnn]

Moyes brought passion and fight out in the players, we lose a lead now and it’s basically game over for us, it’s been like since he left the reason Goodson is a like a moruge now, and when if we do take the lead the 1st song is “we only sing when we’re winning” the most woolish song there is

 

[Papa Shango]

That’s certainty an interesting interpretation of the facts.

They are opinions not facts.

 

[twoblue]

Tbf he’s gone on record saying his targets included Bale Kroos Herrera Ronaldo. It was made clear to him he had to play the likes of Webeck etc. still in the squad and that money wouldn’t be made available. The fact that Fellaini and Mata are still there even now shows you he actually spent what little money he was given ok.

It was a bad move all round. Ferguson left title winners but they were all coming to the end by that point. You could stick a fork in Scholes Giggs Ferdinand (who did all retire before he joined) and Vidic. Others like Fletcher Carroll RVP and Rooney we’re slowing down. Moyes needed to go out and get star quality but the United board thought that the SAF genius of taking poor players and just slotting them into unbelievable attacking teams would carry on forever. It didn’t. It didn’t happen under Van Gaal either and now Mourinho is teaching them an expensive lesson.

Ferguson was winning titles with midfields of O Shea and Giggs in a two. He was an absolute genius who made the likes of Cleverley and Welbeck look like stars. Moyes was never going to follow that. No one could have. They should have given him the millions that any top continental manager would have demanded.

To be honest Ferdinand hadnt retired an reading interviews it sounds like he was undermining Moyes from the beginning. He had slated the fact he and Vidic had to watch videos of Evertons back four, and he openly questioned why Manchester United league winner should be watching the likes of Jags. I can understand the sentiment but I assume it was tactical rather than a skills lesson.

In fairness to Moyes, Ferdinand was also shot by this stage. His sorry state at QPR proved this.

I think the subsequent years would have vindicated Moyes time at Man Utd had he not done so poor in Spain and Sunderland.

In regards to my views: Moyes and Everton was a good marriage. Both sides thought the grass would be greener. There was a mutual split. Both sides then revelled in a short lived rebound relationship, causing bad blood. But having tasted other experiences, I would imagine Moyes and us should both appreciate we had a good thing at the time.

 

[Dymak]

Watched this interview and yano wot... we took a chance on a young manager and gave him a way into the prem. He had 1 of,if not the safest jobs in the league. He was allowed to make his mistakes and learn his trade from a chairman and if were honest supporters who were happy not to be in a relegation fight and to either beat or heaven forbid finish above the red [Poor language removed]...

We made moyes a wealthy man, paid for his houses, kids,nice cars and holidays... he was good for us and we was good for him.... the fact remains though for me... and this interview proves it... he shafted us at the first opportunity, then had the cheek to come back and try it again with baines and felli... he said, " i was told by sir alex i could only tell my wife no one else". Does that include the everton chairman who showed you so much loyality when things didnt go well?... was he like us in the dark when u played the last 3 games?

[Poor language removed] off moyes, im sick of your [Poor language removed]... u stitched us up as soon as you could, but the grass isnt always greener is it... ur not the first and you wont be the last and reguardless of what you think about yourself you werent the best to shaft us... move on lad... you ginger prick, find your level as a manager back up in Scotland with raith and queens park... hope you find your socks to ya ginger blert...

Seeing through about four separate contracts over a 11 year period doesn't exactly strike me as someone that left at the first opportunity.

I don't see Silva coming anywhere close to matching Moyes' achievements (4th and 5th place finishes, cup finals, getting out of the group stages in Europe etc). In fact, it will be no surprise if Silva fails to even match Allardyce's points total.

 

[Papa Shango]

Moyes' achievements (4th and 5th place finishes, cup finals, getting out of the group stages in Europe etc).

State of us!

 

[Dymak]

State of us!

I personally think that our delusions of grandeur have become more of a state than celebrating 4th and 5th placed finishes. Especially when at least one half of our support will be arguing that Silva's failure to match Allardyce's points total is an indicator of progress.

 

[Steve Wigan]

What a bunch o’ rubbish (to put it politely).

The above is the rubbish...youre ID tells it all....

 

[Papa Shango]

I personally think that our delusions of grandeur have become more of a state than celebrating 4th and 5th placed finishes. Especially when at least one half of our support will be arguing that Silva's failure to match Allardyce's points total is an indicator of progress.

I am about as realistic as it comes when it comes to the club.

Celebrating anything over the past 20 odd years is just a bit wrong. Moyes should not be celebrated because he "got us out of the Europa League group stages" or because we came 4th and then got knocked out of the CL before even getting into it. Martinez should not be celebrated for getting our highest points total etc etc.

They are all losers.

Sounds like you have given up on Silva already there?

 

[thebluenosebolt]

I am about as realistic as it comes when it comes to the club.

Celebrating anything over the past 20 odd years is just a bit wrong. Moyes should not be celebrated because he "got us out of the Europa League group stages" or because we came 4th and then got knocked out of the CL before even getting into it. Martinez should not be celebrated for getting our highest points total etc etc.

They are all losers.

Sounds like you have given up on Silva already there?

Hmmm, not sure I agree really Moyes and Martinez were hamstrung Moyes especially. Its correct we won sod all but really we shouldnt have expected to...the very fact we did was down to Moyes building a very solid side...with shockingly meagre funds.

 

[BernieH]

He was good for us at the time, his football at the time he came in was standard fare, the percentage football types have largely gone now but at that time it was exactly what we needed. We more than likely would have been either relegated or in a relegation battle every year as we had been for quite a while.

He built a good side on magic beans and had us top 7 more often than not while only having those magic beans to spend. Ultimately he himself had a glass ceiling that he couldn't breach and he also convinced himself that it wasn't possible. The side he left did play some good football and when he left we never went into a season thinking we could go down.

He did let himself down with his comments and stuff when he left but the actual job he did while he was here was good, probably only let down by bottling big games and his big 4 as it was then away record. It's not easy to win trophies though and nobody has a divine right. On the whole he did a good job in my humble opinion, when i think back to where we were for a good decade before he came, I can't see it any other way.

Sorry for the long post.

 

[davek]

Absolute humpings we took during his time here. He handed us a joint record defeat in our 140 year history: 7-0 away to Arsenal. He gave us our worst home defeat since the 1950s with a 6-1 defeat against Arsenal.

Seventeen times we were spanked in 11 seasons:

Chelsea 4-1
Chelsea (again) 4-1
City 5-1
Arsenal 7-0
Spurs 5-2
Arsenal 4-1
Bucharest 5-1
WBA 4-0
Bolton 4-0
Villa 4-0
Chelsea 4-1
Blackburn 4-1
United 4-1
Arsenal 4-1
Arsenal 6-1
Benfica 5-0
WBA 4-1


"solid defence" "pride in the shirt" "disciplined"


....blah, blah, blah.

 

[Sy-]

Absolute humpings we took during his time here. He handed us our joint record defeat in our 140 year history: 7-0 away to Arsenal. He gave us our worst home defeat since the 1950s with a 6-1 defeat against Arsenal.

You can't ignore the context in both of those though mate; 6-1 was 100% about Lescott, 7-0 we had secured 4th about a week prior, bookends of the same season I believe?

...a season where we had almost a whole squad of Naismiths and Niasses, yet nowdays we turn our noses up at players of this ilk, as if we are somehow above having to work hard for results now.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

You can't ignore the context in both of those though mate; 6-1 was 100% about Lescott, 7-0 we had secured 4th about a week prior, bookends of the same season I believe?

...a season where we had almost a whole squad of Naismiths and Niasses, yet nowdays we turn our noses up at players of this ilk, as if we are somehow above having to work hard for results now.

Why we’ve spent 100s of millions now - we are ENTITLED to win games with the minimum of effort!

Give me Tim Cahill scoring a 93rd minute winner any day.

 

[davek]

You can't ignore the context in both of those though mate; 6-1 was 100% about Lescott, 7-0 we had secured 4th about a week prior, bookends of the same season I believe?

...a season where we had almost a whole squad of Naismiths and Niasses, yet nowdays we turn our noses up at players of this ilk, as if we are somehow above having to work hard for results now.

Record defeats are record defeats, no matter what the sob story that goes with them.

But it was the routine maulings versus the "top clubs" that mark his era. He just laid down and died in front of them.

Let no one forget amongst all the BS about "solid defences under Moyes" that we experienced an avalanche of goals when he sent us out, and on a regular basis.

There was no "solid defence" under him. Forget that myth.