2024/25 David Moyes

[Marius57]

Do you think they should have gone from runaway winners of the PL with 89 points to 7th with 65 points?

A 25 point drop in form.

Then he goes on to near relegate Sociedad and then after that does relegate Sunderland.

I mean, like I say, it was an ageing squad, there was going to be a drop. They also previously had arguably one of the the best managers in history, certainly in the PL.

25 points was a big drop, and should probably have done better, but maybe his ceiling is below that of title chasers. Which for us at this time, is fine. (They also haven’t exactly set the world alight since he left them).

Your favourite manager relegated Wigan. Think you are putting too much weight into that. Lots of good managers struggle at different clubs for various reasons.

He is here. Back him. Instead of saying “I back his objectives” while concurrently insulting him and diminishing everything he has ever achieved.

 

[davek]

I mean, like I say, it was an ageing squad, there was going to be a drop. They also previously had arguably one of the the best managers in history, certainly in the PL.

25 points was a big drop, and should probably have done better, but maybe his ceiling is below that of title chasers. Which for us at this time, is fine. (They also haven’t exactly set the world alight since he left them).

Your favourite manager relegated Wigan. Think you are putting too much weight into that. Lots of good managers struggle at different clubs for various reasons.

He is here. Back him. Instead of saying “I back his objectives” while concurrently insulting him and diminishing everything he has ever achieved.

Because he scuttled them.

Moyes ruined one of the best football clubs in the world in 12 months.

 

[Yarrgh]

This coaching team is getting bigger by the day.

I actually have no idea who is or will be in the coaching team now Moyes is in place. Have we got any actual info on that yet?

 

[Neiler]

...or Unsworth waddling up the line or Straquelersi falling on his face.

First goal of the Moyes era if my memory is right.

For those younger looking for the equvilency of what Moyes done in the past.

He essentially did what Howe and Emery have done in recent seasons with Newcastle and Villa except he did it with no money - we're talking CL.

Most other season he basically did what Brighton are doing now, getting Europe almost every season and we were a place a lot of up and coming young players wanted to come.

If my memory is right i think his last signing was one John Stones.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I mean, like I say, it was an ageing squad, there was going to be a drop. They also previously had arguably one of the the best managers in history, certainly in the PL.

25 points was a big drop, and should probably have done better, but maybe his ceiling is below that of title chasers. Which for us at this time, is fine. (They also haven’t exactly set the world alight since he left them).

Your favourite manager relegated Wigan. Think you are putting too much weight into that. Lots of good managers struggle at different clubs for various reasons.

He is here. Back him. Instead of saying “I back his objectives” while concurrently insulting him and diminishing everything he has ever achieved.

His favourite manager was also going to relegate us and has continued to have high level flops everywhere to be honest.

 

[Lobworm]

We have players who can score, we didn't work on scoring for 2 years and create next to nothing as a result.

Will be difficult for Moyes obviously but it's not like he's got 15 defenders to work with here

Aye. The next half season will be very interesting, even more so if we don't sign anyone of note this month.

 

[Groucho]

What I did find most amusing was this statement that was copy and pasted from the GOT manual to my inbox.

Did he really think we spend time writing out individual messages for the likes of him?

The blert.

 

[edge]

I could honestly see him back in the coaching team.

If I was Phil Neville (and I assume he is still loaded after being a player in the modern era) I'd avoid the headache of being involved with Everton like the plague.

I would welcome him back.
He was as professional as they come, made a difference when he came here.
Sooner put Coleman in on some sort of pathway to become manager one day.
Not because he is a player just seems to have all the attitude and respect off others to make a go of it, saying that wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want the lime light of a manager job.

 

[Curtis]

Because he scuttled them.

Moyes ruined one of the best football clubs in the world in 12 months.

No he didn't, he was placed in an impossible situation where almost anyone regardless of their managerial prowess would of failed following alex ferguson along with the decaying squad and the one executive in charge of recruitment who was terrible. It was waiting to implode he was just someone passing through.

 

[bluestevon]

Do you think they should have gone from runaway winners of the PL with 89 points to 7th with 65 points?

A 25 point drop in form.

Then he goes on to near relegate Sociedad and then after that does relegate Sunderland.

Sociedad brought him in mid season when in a relegation fight a d he kept them up Dave.

As for United - yeah huge drop in form, but that United team had its last dance under Fergie, not a chance he'd have stayed on for another as he knew the team had to be rebuilt again.

 

[Lobworm]

If memory serves, Ferguson barely played at that point. Not sure Radz was better that NDiaye although I appreciate we played them in different positions. Campbell was a good pro.

Would we swap that front line for our equivalent now? Of course we would. Don't forget 5 months after Moyes signed, Rooney was making his debut as well.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I would welcome him back.
He was as professional as they come, made a difference when he came here.
Sooner put Coleman in on some sort of pathway to become manager one day.
Not because he is a player just seems to have all the attitude and respect off others to make a go of it, saying that wouldn't be surprised if he didn't wabmnt the lime light of a manager job.

He is/was a model pro for sure but that doesn't mean he'd be a great coach, that's pretty much the worry.

Also we'll have to pay actual money to have him back as he's an active manager.

 

[davek]

I actually have no idea who is or will be in the coaching team now Moyes is in place. Have we got any actual info on that yet?

Yes:

McKinlay, Irvine, Baines.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

You know sometimes when you lose a game it can just be because the opposition are better and it doesn’t always have to mean the manager is playing for a draw.

When good teams get on top of you they push you back, people keep making out like these Everton teams of the last 30 years have been so good that if only they’d chosen to go for it a bit more, or chosen to play on the front foot, or the manager had been a bit more positive, we’d have won this and that.

It’s giving the teams we’ve had an awful lot of credit by thinking that it’s only our own agency that prevented us from not ‘playing to win’. Most of what I’ve watched have been a succession of slow paced, physically weak teams, mostly stocked with defensive players, without any continuous significant investment, getting pushed back by far richer, quicker, stronger, better teams in key moments and coming up short.

Some managers recognise those limitations and get labelled dour, dithering, KITAP1, plays not to lose, sets up for a draw, other managers ignore them completely and get punted 4, 5, 6 -0 on a regular basis including derbies. However the one common denominator is no one has continuously had us ‘on the front foot’ ‘playing progressively’ ‘playing to win’.

Moyes didn’t ‘bottle’ the cup final. The best team in Europe progressively pushed back an Everton team missing its three best players down the spine. We went one nil up and then missed a chance at 1-1 to go back in front.

He didnt bottle the Firoentina game because we lost a penalty shoot out after going at them hammer and tong for 120 minutes to win it

He didn’t play for a draw when he went to the emirates, plays them off the pitch, Pienaar chips the keeper, Vaughan misses a sitter for 3-1 then Roaicky deflects in a last second strike off a loan defender playing because we’ve got so many injuries.

It’s such a simple annoying mantra that gets pedalled all the time ‘he’s bottled it lad’ ‘sat back instead of playing for the win’. I can absolutely guarantee you that the rate of any manager ‘bottling’ it would dramatically reduce the higher quality players you gave him.

Give Moyes time and money and he’ll create something good here in my opinion.

Well done.

 

[Curtis]

I would welcome him back.
He was as professional as they come, made a difference when he came here.
Sooner put Coleman in on some sort of pathway to become manager one day.
Not because he is a player just seems to have all the attitude and respect off others to make a go of it, saying that wouldn't be surprised if he didn't wabmnt the lime light of a manager job.

In the u.s where he managed for the mls he caught flack for nepotism, incorporating his son into both of his teams despite claims he never merited that opportunity