2024/25 David Moyes

[Saint Domingo]

The best team in Europe finished 3rd in the PL and didn't win anything in Europe though?

Wigan were able to win against City while being so atrocious they actually got relegated.

Not saying I agree with the "he's bottled it" part overall, it's his own limitation and he has acknowledged it by pretty much spelling it out with the "knife to a gunfight" soundbites and things like that,

For every one of your examples we can find the opposite ones, this proves nothing - for example the ONE Arsenal game we were good in that you chose, we've been thrashed by 5-6 goals several times. Doesn't change the fact we were constantly 6/7 at the time even with that.

He is a progressive manager and not a "route 1" like Dyche, this isn't/shouldn't even be a debate, and we did win the games which we 'should win' - we constantly won more than lost against the bottom 6-7 teams, that always puts you in a great position to challenge for Europe/higher places (Forest are currently doing that too). The issue was always going to be anyone he perceives as a bigger team, as he just doesn't know how to mix with those. Martinez didn't have that fear, for example, and we went and played against teams with freedom and tried to attack, and we did, and it was a success... for a year, then the Moyes coaching was lost and he failed as well as he's incredibly limited when it comes to overall team work.

I'm not the most pro-Moyes person but I can see he has some great upsides and can see this as a good stability hire, just like others should see he has some obvious downsides. He hasn't fully gotten rid of that fear imho but hopefully I'm wrong and he at least tries. Luckily for him we've gone through the atrocious games and he has an "easier" schedule currently.

That Chelsea team had just monstered the best Barcelona team of all time and got edged out thanks to one of the worst refereeing performances ever. They’d been in the CL final a year before and would be again a few years later. They won the title the season after. If they weren’t the best team in Europe they were certainly one of the best and were playing extremely well.

Wigan could have been 5-0 down in the first half of that cup final and won thanks to a header from a corner. Great win, taking nothing away from them, but nothing about their approach was going for a win, if Aguero wore the right boots that day they would have been leathered out of sight.

Martinez took it to big teams away from home and in big moments? Which ones? The only top team he beat away from home in the league was Moyes’ United and when you watch that game back we were actually quite lucky to win that.

Saying sin miedo doesn’t mean anything in a press conference if you turn out the exact same results that the bloke saying knife to a gunfight does. We got 72 points because a very good Moyes squad had Lukaku McCarthy and Barry added to it alongside Stones and Barkley. The fact we then came 11th twice with that group shows that just saying you’re playing with no fear gets you nowhere.


Give the manager multiple good players to compete with the top teams in the league rather than continuously asking them to outperform them with lesser players. They won’t, regardless of their philosophy, as the last 30 years have shown.

 

[Titus Bramble]

I wonder if he'll refer to his first stint as successful?

Success is relative. Your opinion on whether Moyes was successful or not depends on your age. I only really started 'paying attention' to football and Everton during Moyes' first season. Unsworth's goal in Moyes' first game is the first goal where I wasn't at Goodison where I can tell you exactly where I was.

Moyes is the most successful Everton manager I and probably an awful lot of folk on here know.

 

[davep]

Adjusted for Inflation that's 42 pts now

Pretty much all our fans would bit your hand off for that right now.

 

[NathDogg]

I do support him through gritted teeth. Only because I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face.

Dyche: I do worry he could rebound to haunt us this season. He will almost certainly be turned to by a club in the PL relegation zone before this season is out. And his motivation levels will be through the roof.

We need to be well clear of whichever team he takes over from.

You’re not supporting Moyes from your posts, you are constantly deriding both him and TFG. Give it a rest and get behind the owners and the manager.

As for the rest of the above post, it’s just bollocks.

I think if any of our relegation rivals are stupid enough to go near Dyche they deserve everything they get and it would probably be the best thing he’s ever done to help Everton.

I don’t think he will have any suitors, and I’m not sure why any club would go near him though - he threw the towel in here, and admitted he didn’t have the balls for the upcoming fight - a cowards mentality.

Not a great look for a team needing leadership and courage fighting relegation that is it?

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Can he take over any team given he would have received a severance package?
Perhaps it could save us money if he does get a job.

 

[NathDogg]

Can he take over any team given he would have received a severance package?
Perhaps it could save us money if he does get a job.

He ain’t getting a job for a while, Daveks just having wet dreams.

 

[Wat Tyler]

I do support him through gritted teeth. Only because I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face.

Dyche: I do worry he could rebound to haunt us this season. He will almost certainly be turned to by a club in the PL relegation zone before this season is out. And his motivation levels will be through the roof.

We need to be well clear of whichever team he takes over from.

Well by all accounts his motivation levels were in the toilet with us and he told TFG he took the club as far as he could.

 

[Tipp blue]

I do support him through gritted teeth. Only because I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face.

Dyche: I do worry he could rebound to haunt us this season. He will almost certainly be turned to by a club in the PL relegation zone before this season is out. And his motivation levels will be through the roof.

We need to be well clear of whichever team he takes over from.

Have we gotten rid of him? The statement said relieved of his duties.. gardening leave still employed by the club.

 

[degsy]

Pretty much all our fans would bit your hand off for that right now.

Me too, Moyes as well and who is to say given the circumstances which would be the greater achievement

 

[badloaf]

How does your brain even work?

I'm reluctant to use the word work actually.

I’d be reluctant to use the word brain.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

He'll be in Branthwaite's ear right now persuading him to move to United and asking if there's any old tat they can give us in return.

A dog always returns to its own vomit.

No always true. My dog only eats other dogs puke......and sometimes poo....

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I'd cut him some slack for his time at Utd, partially but not completely. The falloff was significant.

The immediate successor to Ferguson was always going to have the toughest job, and they still aren't even close to moving on from him. Ferguson's success there will likely never be repeated.

He did an outstanding job with us, albeit our away record generally and against the traditional big four in particular was shocking, not a single win and became a huge burden on the team and on his record. It seemed that in any truly big game, his team didn't show up on the day.

That dressing room was also toxic. They were determined not to listen to Moyes from the get go and he was being undermined by Senior players. It wasn't the Damned United but the drop off is explainable. Chelsea went from Champions to 10th (37 point drop off) under Jose and Champions to 5th (23 point drop off) under Conte and neither of those managers had the influence that Ferguson had had. 7th is actually a decent achievement in the circumstances.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

He's a notoriously slow starter. Many of our seasons were holed under the bough by November during his previous stint. His teams very often, then, went on great runs during the second half of the season when the pressure was off.

He won't get away with that here now more than once.

Are you joking? A slow start Moyes season would be one of our best starts in the last 6 years apart from the Carlo year. We were generally 12/13 and the went on a second half surge up to 5/6/7 with champions league form for the second half. Not sure why you think there is more pressure in the first half of a season than the second.

 

[Billy Dean]

As opposed to what we have just had, i dont even call that football at all.

Didnt moyse at least some of the time have us play decent footy.

Yes to be fair some of the time we did. Notably from around the 2006/07 seasons to about 2008/09. Having Manny Fernandes in midfield was the catalyst for it initially IMO. Then at some point in 2008/09 Moyes was forced by injuries to move Arteta from the right flank into central midfield and we played some nice stuff then

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Are you joking? A slow start Moyes season would be one of our best starts in the last 6 years apart from the Carlo year. We were generally 12/13 and the went on a second half surge up to 5/6/7 with champions league form for the second half. Not sure why you think there is more pressure in the first half of a season than the second.

He's right

Check his record from winter to end of the season twice with West Ham. 19 points from 20 games etc. COVID saved his bacon too.

Check his record when he's only had single seasons.

It's why I disagreed with people saying safe hands/crisis manager.

Moyes does ok when he's given a long time.

He's better than Dyche. He'll need some pace/attacking ability putting in this team and we shouldn't do any worse so we should be ok.

But Moyes is pragmatic and I don't think we have the team that'll see a big shift. We'll get a few good results on the back of new manager bounce and I read on here the next 9 games we play 8 teams currently in the bottom half.