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2024/25 David Moyes

Saint Domingo said:
That Chelsea team had just monstered the best Barcelona team of all time and got edged out thanks to one of the worst refereeing performances ever. They’d been in the CL final a year before and would be again a few years later. They won the title the season after. If they weren’t the best team in Europe they were certainly one of the best and were playing extremely well.

Wigan could have been 5-0 down in the first half of that cup final and won thanks to a header from a corner. Great win, taking nothing away from them, but nothing about their approach was going for a win, if Aguero wore the right boots that day they would have been leathered out of sight.

Martinez took it to big teams away from home and in big moments? Which ones? The only top team he beat away from home in the league was Moyes’ United and when you watch that game back we were actually quite lucky to win that.

Saying sin miedo doesn’t mean anything in a press conference if you turn out the exact same results that the bloke saying knife to a gunfight does. We got 72 points because a very good Moyes squad had Lukaku McCarthy and Barry added to it alongside Stones and Barkley. The fact we then came 11th twice with that group shows that just saying you’re playing with no fear gets you nowhere.


Give the manager multiple good players to compete with the top teams in the league rather than continuously asking them to outperform them with lesser players. They won’t, regardless of their philosophy, as the last 30 years have shown.
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Martinez also produced some of the most mind numbingly football I have ever seen. If Moyes didn't move and we gave him the Martinez squad I think we would genuinely have challenged for the title that year. 5th was a massive under performance.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
He's right

Check his record from winter to end of the season twice with West Ham. 19 points from 20 games etc. COVID saved his bacon too.

Check his record when he's only had single seasons.

It's why I disagreed with people saying safe hands/crisis manager.

Moyes does ok when he's given a long time.

He's better than Dyche. He'll need some pace/attacking ability putting in this team and we shouldn't do any worse so we should be ok.

But Moyes is pragmatic and I don't think we have the team that'll see a big shift. We'll get a few good results on the back of new manager bounce and I read on here the next 9 games we play 8 teams currently in the bottom half.
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You're dying for him to flop hard aren't ya.
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
Martinez also produced some of the most mind numbingly football I have ever seen. If Moyes didn't move and we gave him the Martinez squad I think we would genuinely have challenged for the title that year. 5th was a massive under performance.
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There was a number of times under Moyes we were on the cusp and that Lukaku type signing didn’t come. As soon as he left then Kenwright lashes out 30 mill on Lukaku for Martinez.

Would Moyes have moved aside Fellaini and allowed Barkley to play there, or trusted Stones at CB so quickly? Who knows. These were things Martinez did very well first season but Moyes wouldn’t have taken that squad to 11th twice.
 

Nymzee said:
Not an idiot, just an observation.

I think even if he got us to 11th this season you would want him sacked in the Summer.
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Correct.

Just like I wanted Allardyce sacked.

Just like I'd have wanted Dyche sacked this summer if we finished 11th.

Just like TFG were going to sack Dyche for Rangnick in the summer just gone after earning 48 points.

TFG were legging Dyche for someone currently in a job, believing them to be the best person for the job. I hope that's still the case. They'd have sacked Dyche day 1 and had Moyes in, otherwise.

Because in my view, and 99% of Everton fans before a ball was kicked this season, I dont think Moyes is the right manager for us from this summer.

I've formed my opinion on David Moyes on 20+ years. I'm not going to change it in a week because it suits.

To say I'm dying for him to flop though is idiotic. If he flops, we go down.
 
Hope one of the journos presses him on his previous comments this afternoon, even if only softly, eg can he understand why some fans have objected to his appointment, citing what he said and did……
Doubt it will happen like, they’ll be too desperate to get in his good books.

If they do, I reckon he would brush it off and double down on what’s he’s done for the club etc as reason for us all to be thankful.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Correct.

Just like I wanted Allardyce sacked.

Just like I'd have wanted Dyche sacked this summer if we finished 11th.

Just like TFG were going to sack Dyche for Rangnick in the summer just gone after earning 48 points.

TFG were legging Dyche for someone currently in a job, believing them to be the best person for the job. I hope that's still the case. They'd have sacked Dyche day 1 and had Moyes in, otherwise.

Because in my view, and 99% of Everton fans before a ball was kicked this season, I dont think Moyes is the right manager for us from this summer.

To say I'm dying for him to flop though is idiotic. If he flops, we go down.
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It's ridiculous to say you want him sacked without knowing how he performs between now and the end of season and without knowing what options there are to replace him. A couple of seasons of Moyes could set us up very nicely for the future.
 
I definitely didn't want him back and whether i want him to continue or not after this season will completely depend upon how he does for the rest of this season. It would have to be really good for me to want him to continue. All i care about for now though is getting behind him to get safe and try and have a really nice and worthy goodbye to Goodison. ;)
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Correct.

Just like I wanted Allardyce sacked.

Just like I'd have wanted Dyche sacked this summer if we finished 11th.

Just like TFG were going to sack Dyche for Rangnick in the summer just gone after earning 48 points.

TFG were legging Dyche for someone currently in a job, believing them to be the best person for the job. I hope that's still the case. They'd have sacked Dyche day 1 and had Moyes in, otherwise.

Because in my view, and 99% of Everton fans before a ball was kicked this season, I dont think Moyes is the right manager for us from this summer.

I've formed my opinion on David Moyes on 20+ years. I'm not going to change it in a week because it suits.

To say I'm dying for him to flop though is idiotic. If he flops, we go down.
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We were joint 11th last Summer under Dyche why didn't you want him sacked? :)
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
It's ridiculous to say you want him sacked without knowing how he performs between now and the end of season and without knowing what options there are to replace him. A couple of seasons of Moyes could set us up very nicely for the future.
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I've formed my opinion on David Moyes over 20+ years. I'm not going to change it in a week because it suits.

Or kneejerk based on a handful of results between January and May.

As I say, TFG don't believe he's the best man for us either. They wanted someone else who was in a job at the end of the season.

They should Ranieri him. Often said over the years I'd have him in a DOF type roll. He's good at recruitment and I like how he generally character assesses.

For too long, we've been firefighting and hiring managers when backs against the wall mid season, and then lingering with them.

If we had stable ownership, we should have sacked Lampard after C.Palace when he didn't improve us on Benitez. We should have sacked Dyche after Bournemouth.

Now we have that ownership, I hope they can find us a manager we can really build from. Moyes is never that manager.
 
Nymzee said:
We were joing 11th last Summer under Dyche why didn't you want him sacked? :)
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Because we were never sacking a manager until ownership was resolved :)

But as I said in August;

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