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Confirmed Signing Davy Klaassen

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orly said:
Nah, that's not true. Look at the Sandro comments, everyone is excited about him.

It's hardly the reaction that Bolasie and his £28m got
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Look at the transfer thread comments about a majority of who we are linked with

We cannot go wrong with Sandro even if it doesn't work out, that's where are large amount of positivity is coming from

We need to forget the fees and wages as its not our money and see what he is trying to build

We are no longer managed by the clown Martinez or the dour Davey Moist

Onwards and upwards
 
Tubey said:
I disagree. It's a terrible league that hosts a talented nation of footballers, so the OK ones they produce can be made to look like Football Jesus because the standards are so low.

Another example - Luuk De Jong. Was rated as one of the top talents in football, went to Newcastle, did the square sum of nothing, then returned and resumed scoring 2 in 3 over there.

The similarity with Scotland is striking. Kris Boyd was their Alan Shearer at Rangers, but went to Boro and did absolutely nothing of note. The argument isn't really whether Eredivisie is like the SPL; it's just which one is the worst. It's probably the SPL yeah but there's not much between them.
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You are naming players it didn't happen for and blaming the league. Torres was hopeless after leaving Liverpool for Chelsea, Michael Owen at Madrid, Alex Song lol, 1000's of the same examples mate. Doesn't make the premier league a bad league. Ajax reached the Europa Final, i wouldn't be too quick to judge.

Only have to look at recent players to come from Ajax, Eriksen, Suarez, Zlatan, Van der vaart, sneijder, Vertonghen, De Jong.
They still produce quality
 
James_Beattie said:
You are naming players it didn't happen for and blaming the league. Torres was hopeless after leaving Liverpool for Chelsea, Michael Owen at Madrid, Alex Song lol, 1000's of the same examples mate. Doesn't make the premier league a bad league. Ajax reached the Europa Final, i wouldn't be too quick to judge.

Only have to look at recent players to come from Ajax, Eriksen, Suarez, Zlatan, Van der vaart, sneijder, Vertonghen, De Jong.
They still produce quality
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It works all ways - for example, players have failed to show the technical ability to cope with Spanish football when coming from England (Gravesen, McManaman, Owen) so clubs in Spain would be wary of English footballers. But that's a cultural difference in football rather than an ability one.

I'm speaking specifically of the large numbers of players coming from the Dutch league who lack the capability to make an impact here, because the Eredivisie gives a false representation of their actual ability.

I'm honestly confused how you can't see it. Of course there will still be good players picked out, otherwise I'd be devastated if we got Klaasen as that would mean I believed there'd be no chance of him being good, but the point being made is that there is a disproportionately high chance that players perceived as very good in Holland could very well be actually pretty poor.
 
Klaassen is exactly the type of player our midfield is missing in Koeman's preferred way of playing.

As @MorgsGoat pointed out yesterday, Koeman doesn't really use 'central' playmakers all that often.

The creativity in his sides come from the wide areas, with a holding anchor player (Schneiderlin) and two box-to-box players ahead of him (this can be worked into either a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3).

Klaassen is a player that would offer a real goal/assist threat from midfield and thus free up space for the likes of Barkley (if he stays) to operate.

Would be a very good signing.

I get people's doubts but Klaassen has proved at international level and in Europe that he is more than capable of stepping up.
 

WA Toffee said:
Mirallis came from the Greek league, Coleman came from the Irish league, Davies came from the under 18s.

The league they played in makes absolutely no difference
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That's effective scouting. However, the Dutch league is pretty unique in how it makes certain players look fantastic beyond their actual ability. It's too easy to think you're signing the next Van Persie, when the reality is you're getting the next Leigh Griffiths.

If we've done proper homework on Klaasen and learnt the lessons other clubs have been stung by in the past, then good. If we haven't, then it's not inappropriate to point those mistakes out.
 

Tubey said:
I disagree. It's a terrible league that hosts a talented nation of footballers, so the OK ones they produce can be made to look like Football Jesus because the standards are so low.

Another example - Luuk De Jong. Was rated as one of the top talents in football, went to Newcastle, did the square sum of nothing, then returned and resumed scoring 2 in 3 over there.

The similarity with Scotland is striking. Kris Boyd was their Alan Shearer at Rangers, but went to Boro and did absolutely nothing of note. The argument isn't really whether Eredivisie is like the SPL; it's just which one is the worst. It's probably the SPL yeah but there's not much between them.
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The best Danish and Swedish players tend to pass through that league as well
 
Tubey said:
It works all ways - for example, players have failed to show the technical ability to cope with Spanish football when coming from England (Gravesen, McManaman, Owen) so clubs in Spain would be wary of English footballers. But that's a cultural difference in football rather than an ability one.

I'm speaking specifically of the large numbers of players coming from the Dutch league who lack the capability to make an impact here, because the Eredivisie gives a false representation of their actual ability.

I'm honestly confused how you can't see it. Of course there will still be good players picked out, otherwise I'd be devastated if we got Klaasen as that would mean I believed there'd be no chance of him being good, but the point being made is that there is a disproportionately high chance that players perceived as very good in Holland could very well be actually pretty poor.
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I know the league in itself isn't one of the top leagues, but we aren't buying from Den Haag, we are buying from Europa League finalists, which is a lot better standard than we have reached in recent years.

Let's just agree to disagree about Ajax and hope that Klaassen is more of an Eriksen than a RVW
 

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