You would be right with your views
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You would be right with your views
What am I ignoring?
I’ve read the same quote you keep posting and it doesn’t say substantial or what the fees are for.
You kept saying substantial
You kept saying fees for number of performances
I have not seen anything reported anywhere with any credibility pretending they know what the terms are and how much the might cost us and as I said, these terms are currently being renegotiated anywhere so may not end up meaning anything
You say you want people to be wary
We are Everton fans… of course we are wary
But a lot of us have faith in Dyche to make the right decisions
SuperKev91
Player Valuation: £750k
“Many of the remaining parts of the January 2022 deal between Everton and Tottenham are still in place, including performance-related bonuses due to Spurs based on Dele's activity on the pitch and a sell-on clause.”
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Everton have reached an agreement with Tottenham to waive paying a further fee when offering Dele Alli a new contract.
The Blues did not pay an immediate fee for the midfielder's transfer from Spurs in January 2022, but the north London side would previously have been due a payment had he met the threshold for a certain number of appearances, and were also in line to receive money had Dele agreed a new contract at Goodison Park before now.”
I’m genuinely concerned about peoples reading skills at this point.
We already had performance related fees in there, could be goals/assists/team of the season/a wide number of metrics in the original deal. They’ve negotiated us out of the appearances related costs. By default he will still have to play to hit performance related fees but he’ll be playing well if he does.
Is that dead hard?!
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Everton have reached an agreement with Tottenham to waive paying a further fee when offering Dele Alli a new contract.
The Blues did not pay an immediate fee for the midfielder's transfer from Spurs in January 2022, but the north London side would previously have been due a payment had he met the threshold for a certain number of appearances, and were also in line to receive money had Dele agreed a new contract at Goodison Park before now.”
I’m genuinely concerned about peoples reading skills at this point.
We already had performance related fees in there, could be goals/assists/team of the season/a wide number of metrics in the original deal. They’ve negotiated us out of the appearances related costs. By default he will still have to play to hit performance related fees but he’ll be playing well if he does.
Is that dead hard?!
hippopotamus
Player Valuation: £1.5m
I think you'll have to repeat your tiresome drivel about denial and sentimentality ten more times before people will accept the truth."Making stuff up" ?
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I'll continue raising my concerns. Someone has to without sentimentality and denial that you're displaying
This deal will cost Everton millions
Well I’m reading that as they’ve waived the fee that they would’ve received for him signing a new contract, but there’s absolutely nothing in there to suggest that the appearance-related fees have been waived.
SuperKev91
Player Valuation: £750k
Ok try this part;
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Everton have reached an agreement with Tottenham to waive paying a further fee when offering Dele Alli a new contract.
The Blues did not pay an immediate fee for the midfielder's transfer from Spurs in January 2022, but the north London side would previously have been due a payment had he met the threshold for a certain number of appearances.”
If the quote stopped there what would you think?
“Would previously have been due a payment”
If I would have been ‘previously’ due a payment, it means I’m not now. He will still need to make appearances to hit the performance add ons by default, but it makes way more sense for us because then if we pay anything it’s because he’s playing well. If we don’t, he’s not playing well.
It also protects Spurs from receiving nothing in the event Dyche does turn it round for him, however unlikely.
I agree sadly
I won't change my views on things however as I know I'm right hereYou have it absolutely spot on
The saving grace is it's entirely in Everton's hands if they give him a contract or not
Now it's a question of judgement in terms of the managerial staff
What concerns me is the apparent continual delusional views in our fanbase. That no matter how much evidence you give them they deny it to continue with the wishful thinking, they want to engage in
. The denying there was further fees at all and was "just a sell on" case in point
But the quote didn’t stop there mate. The next part of that sentence is actually really key.
Why is this so murky anyway? Why does the whole deal have to be shrouded in mystery? I don’t like it and the player isn’t worth all this. He hasn’t played football for 18 months, and when he did last play for us he was terrible and that’s why he got loaned out to Turkey.
Again, Levy is not stupid. He’s not going to allow us to get away with “only paying a fee if he plays well”, because he knows the chances of him playing well are remote, because he’s not very good at football anymore. I don’t know why people are so convinced we’ll have come out of this deal the better of the two parties, we’re negotiating with Daniel Levy here.
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
There's a trade off here though - Levy would have been entitled to literally zero if Dele signed for any other club in the world, so you'd take something rather than nothing and if, for example, we owed Spurs £10m after he played another 7 games or whatever, there's no way anyone in their right mind would agree to keep him
FWIW, line in the Echo article today...
As part of his previous deal, the Toffees would have had to pay Tottenham a fee when Dele reached a certain number of appearances. However, the terms of the agreement have been renegotiated as part of talks between the two clubs.
SuperKev91
Player Valuation: £750k
I think it’s pretty obvious here that we won’t pay them just based on him playing. He has to play well enough to hit certain performance based metrics. That’s fine with me because if we pay, he’s playing well.
It’s fine with Spurs because they might actually get some money back rather than nothing.
The only gamble is his contract and how much that costs us.
It’s fine with Spurs because they might actually get some money back rather than nothing.
The only gamble is his contract and how much that costs us.
That’s crazy
That echo article is saying something different to what Damo’s quote said
It’s almost like…
Nobody knows what the T&Cs are and probably won’t until a contract is signed at which point we can all discuss our feelings on the merits of the deal rather than just guessing whether it’s good or bad
SuperKev91
Player Valuation: £750k
It’s almost an identical quote. We’ve managed to negotiate the appearance related clause out, whether that means performance related fees will be higher or not who knows. I personally wouldn’t be arsed if we pay them as that means he’s doing a job for us. No real risk here other than his contract.
It seems like he feels he same way, by all accounts the club handled his situation with complete empathy and we should be proud of that.
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