Donald Trump for President Thread

[knowwhatimean]

Liberals are really panicking, I love it.

 

[bizzaro]

Honestly a bit surprised there hasn't been more serious attempts on Obama.

There's been a few occasions of people shooting at the white house hasn't there?

It's frightening what's happening in the USA right now.

Meaning people tearing chunks off each other.

 

[bizzaro]

Disagree.

Supreme Court is very important but whoever gets elected has a huge say in decisions about a host of issues that also have long lasting effects like healthcare, immigration, foreign policy and social policy. Not everything can, or should, be legislated through that court.

The US constitution and the separation of powers means the supreme court is unbelievably important.

It's a counterweight to excessive executive or congressional power grabs.

Yeah...very weird.

Surprised the 'what if' tweet and retweet didn't resonate with you. If Obama had 5 kids from 3 women or had Hillary had 5 kids from 3 men, you can bet your butt that Fox News would have spent weeks character assassinating them.

The irony is Murdoch's chief character assassin has just resigned for sexually harassing female staff at Fox News as well.

 

[bizzaro]

Liberals are really panicking, I love it.

What does this even mean?

 

[bizzaro]

If people don't see the parallels between the two campaigns, they are lying to themselves.

Ideologically the Leave campaign is nearly identical to the Trump campaign. If @peteblue had been born on this side of the pond, he would be a card carrying member of the NRA. Ideologically the two camps align.

Explains everything now.

Thank you.

 

[Eggs]

......don't think I saw one black face in the audience when Trump made his acceptance speech. Not sure if anybody else noticed this but I suspect he's alienating a lot of voters.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If people don't see the parallels between the two campaigns, they are lying to themselves.

Ideologically the Leave campaign is nearly identical to the Trump campaign. If @peteblue had been born on this side of the pond, he would be a card carrying member of the NRA. Ideologically the two camps align.

The thing is, this kind of thing was quite evident from months ago, but was largely dismissed as scaremongering. Those who like to deploy this kind of tactic will undoubtedly have been given a boost by the referendum result. Of course, if you support that kind of populism then you'll probably not see that as a bad thing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

......don't think I saw one black face in the audience when Trump made his acceptance speech. Not sure if anybody else noticed this but I suspect he's alienating a lot of voters.

I think that's the point to be honest. There was a program a few years ago that analysed the leadership style of Hitler, and they outlined four key elements (in terms of basic in group/out group dynamics):

Do you reflect your group? Psychological research has shown that leaders succeed when they reflect the characteristics of their followers. The more you are seen as "one of us" by your team, the more likely you are to be able to lead them successfully. This isn't saying you have to be identical to everyone, but there will be things that matter to your community, and they need to matter to you, too.

Do you champion your group? As well as being seen to reflect your community, you also need to be championing them. Too often leaders are seen to be in it just for themselves, and it's therefore not surprising that their leadership capabilities are weak. Leaders need to advance the collective interests of their followers in order to lead them well, so show they you're on their side as much as you are your employers.

Do you create this identity? Leaders don't tend to wait for leadership to be bestowed upon them. Instead they create the opportunity by forging the shared identities and policies of their group. If you're new on the job, you'll need to fashion the opportunities to show that #1 and #2 apply to you.

Do you turn vision into reality? Leaders should be able to show results in order to achieve a devoted following. Shallow rhetoric might work for a short while, but followers want to see you can translate your words into reality. So if your community are submitting ideas to improve your business, they need to see that those ideas are being delivered.

So, having a clearly defined out group is important to help define who exactly is in the in group. It's what Trump is doing, it's what Farage does (anti-experts as well as anti-migrants), and it's what Hitler did particularly well.

 

[Eggs]

I think that's the point to be honest. There was a program a few years ago that analysed the leadership style of Hitler, and they outlined four key elements (in terms of basic in group/out group dynamics):

Do you reflect your group? Psychological research has shown that leaders succeed when they reflect the characteristics of their followers. The more you are seen as "one of us" by your team, the more likely you are to be able to lead them successfully. This isn't saying you have to be identical to everyone, but there will be things that matter to your community, and they need to matter to you, too.

Do you champion your group? As well as being seen to reflect your community, you also need to be championing them. Too often leaders are seen to be in it just for themselves, and it's therefore not surprising that their leadership capabilities are weak. Leaders need to advance the collective interests of their followers in order to lead them well, so show they you're on their side as much as you are your employers.

Do you create this identity? Leaders don't tend to wait for leadership to be bestowed upon them. Instead they create the opportunity by forging the shared identities and policies of their group. If you're new on the job, you'll need to fashion the opportunities to show that #1 and #2 apply to you.

Do you turn vision into reality? Leaders should be able to show results in order to achieve a devoted following. Shallow rhetoric might work for a short while, but followers want to see you can translate your words into reality. So if your community are submitting ideas to improve your business, they need to see that those ideas are being delivered.

So, having a clearly defined out group is important to help define who exactly is in the in group. It's what Trump is doing, it's what Farage does (anti-experts as well as anti-migrants), and it's what Hitler did particularly well.

.....but can he win power without attracting significant support from the black and Latino community?

 

[Bill Kenwright True Blue]

It'll be interesting to find out who the Bernie Sanders voters end up backing. Will they go with the woman they hate, Clinton, or will they sympathise more with the opposition to keep Clinton out of power? If Trump can take a good chunk of Sanders' voters he'll probably end up winning.

 

[peteblue]

If people don't see the parallels between the two campaigns, they are lying to themselves.

Ideologically the Leave campaign is nearly identical to the Trump campaign. If @peteblue had been born on this side of the pond, he would be a card carrying member of the NRA. Ideologically the two camps align.

The only consistent point you keep displaying is the distain you have for ordinary voters, apparently now on both sides of the Atlantic.....oh, and I would give no support to your NRA which is responsible for a multitude of innocent deaths....

You have a choice between an idiot and a liar....

 

[peteblue]

The thing is, this kind of thing was quite evident from months ago, but was largely dismissed as scaremongering. Those who like to deploy this kind of tactic will undoubtedly have been given a boost by the referendum result. Of course, if you support that kind of populism then you'll probably not see that as a bad thing.

You do remember that it was the remain side that was doing the scaremongering don't you.........or has that now been rewritten......

 

[riddick]

So I assume you won't be voting?

Again, regardless of how you feel about Hillary, or Trump for that matter, the next president is going to appoint the next member of the Supreme Court which will have much more effect on the country long after either of them are out of office.

Oh, I'll vote. At the very least it will be a third party vote if not a write in of 'go feck yourselves'. I absolutely despise both of the main candidates. I hate the idea that I'm obligated to vote for one of them because of the supreme court implication. Want my and millions of other disenfranchised votes? Don't nominate two of the most disliked candidates in history.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You do remember that it was the remain side that was doing the scaremongering don't you.........or has that now been rewritten......

That's what I said. I, and others, suggested that a vote to leave the EU would give a boost to populists around the world, and it was dismissed as scaremongering. I hope to goodness you're right and Trump doesn't become president.

 

[peteblue]

That's what I said. I, and others, suggested that a vote to leave the EU would give a boost to populists around the world, and it was dismissed as scaremongering. I hope to goodness you're right and Trump doesn't become president.

Sorry Bruce, misinterpretation on my part.... Unfortunately the USA will get either Trump or Clinton unless they have a 'none of the above vote'. Neither are good enough by a long way. I still think that they will vote in Trump though