Duncan Ferguson the coach

[streeky]

Well I cant think of anything else...unless laying down cones at Finch Farm is a particularly valued task at Everton.

The club giving a much loved ex player a foot up in the game. Part of his pro licence means he has to be coaching at an elite level, having done his pro licence he is now gaining experience before launching out on his own. Great loyalty from the club and yes he probably is only laying out cones, what harm is there in it.

 

[Lanolin]

Even in that worse case scenario (which I'd reject), such a group of coaches would bring an objectivity to the club that insiders would never allow themselves to bring.

You reject the idea that all of the best coaches available to us right now are Portuguese and happen to have been working with our manager for years? And you think that people who have worked with the manager for years and are ostensibly yes men are more likely to be objective than someone who's never worked with him before? In that case I think you're a little naïve.

I'm not trying to have a go at our coaches here, i'm saying that's how it is everywhere. Clubs don't go out and actively recruit the best coaches for every role, they give the jobs to ex-players and people the manager likes. C'est la vie.

 

[royalblue66]

If there is anyone on the books at EFC be it players or coaching staff or admin, that havn't had the knife stuck into them,rest assured your time will come.

 

[Eggs]

I understand that idea, but then I would expand that further, to say why do we just allow managers to bring their own staff with them all the time? What are the chances that a few lads who played together and became mates when they were in the Portuguese lower leagues all just happened to turn into world class coaches. Nil I would say.

Silva brought his own staff because he trusts them (and wants to give them a meal ticket if we're being perfectly honest) while ex-players are employed because they bring a 'connection' to the club. If we actually want the best coaches available then I would imagine they'd all have to go and Brands would need to identify the best goalkeeping, fitness etc coaches in the world. Can't see it happening any time soon.

..any Manager wants to be successful so he will want to work with what he considers the best coaches. As with all managerial roles, you’re only as good as the people who work for you. They are a team, they need to work together, they need to trust each other. That’s why they tend to bring the people they have worked with in the past.

 

[macdog]

Perhaps he has the best connections for coke and hookers.

 

[Lanolin]

..any Manager wants to be successful so he will want to work with what he considers the best coaches. As with all managerial roles, you’re only as good as the people who work for you. They are a team, they need to work together, they need to trust each other. That’s why they tend to bring the people they have worked with in the past.

You don't think it's a little odd that they always seem to think the best coaches are people they've known for years, no? You really think Roberto Martinez has looked objectively at Everton's defensive record during his time here and thought 'well that confirms it, there are no better coaches in world football than Dennis Lawrence and Inaki Bergara' and so he's taken them to Belgium with him?

Not a chance in hell. They're people he likes and trusts and people moving to new jobs in high pressure environments want people around them who are on their side, can be trusted to do things the way they want, and won't question their methods. Obviously they all have the relevant qualifications to be able to do their jobs, but if you really think that all the coaches other than the ex Everton players are here solely on merit, I think you're way off.

 

[Eggs]

You don't think it's a little odd that they always seem to think the best coaches are people they've known for years, no? You really think Roberto Martinez has looked objectively at Everton's defensive record during his time here and thought 'well that confirms it, there are no better coaches in world football than Dennis Lawrence and Inaki Bergara' and so he's taken them to Belgium with him?

Not a chance in hell. They're people he likes and trusts and people moving to new jobs in high pressure environments want people around them who are on their side, can be trusted to do things the way they want, and won't question their methods. Obviously they all have the relevant qualifications to be able to do their jobs, but if you really think that all the coaches other than the ex Everton players are here solely on merit, I think you're way off.

..they will want people they have worked successfully with because they know they work well together and fulfill the role required. I think it’s perfectly understandable. They could get somebody new with a fine reputation who they might not get on with or who undermines what they are trying to do.

 

[Lanolin]

..they will want people they have worked successfully with because they know they work well together and fulfill the role required. I think it’s perfectly understandable. They could get somebody new with a fine reputation who they might not get on with or who undermines what they are trying to do.

Sorry I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. Of course it's understandable, I've already said that. In fact it's more than understandable, it's sensible, necessary almost.

You're saying that we should employ coaches based on their coaching ability rather than ex-players. I'm saying should the same not apply to the coaches the manager brings then? You've just agreed that manager's don't employ staff because they think they're the best, they employ them because they get on (the 'worked successfully' bit is a bit of a stretch, seeing as managers carry on doing it even after repeated failures).

The point is, if the manager can employ people because they do things the way he likes, then why shouldn't the club? They believe that ex-players will be aware of how the club wants to do things and will provide continuity regardless of who the manager is so they give them jobs. Either just give jobs on merit and say to the manager sorry but i'm not sure this lad you've been mates with since you were 6 is the very best coach available to us, or accept that there are differing reasons for people being given jobs which aren't always because there is no way we could find anyone better.

 

[Eggs]

Sorry I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. Of course it's understandable, I've already said that. In fact it's more than understandable, it's sensible, necessary almost.

You're saying that we should employ coaches based on their coaching ability rather than ex-players. I'm saying should the same not apply to the coaches the manager brings then? You've just agreed that manager's don't employ staff because they think they're the best, they employ them because they get on (the 'worked successfully' bit is a bit of a stretch, seeing as managers carry on doing it even after repeated failures).

The point is, if the manager can employ people because they do things the way he likes, then why shouldn't the club? They believe that ex-players will be aware of how the club wants to do things and will provide continuity regardless of who the manager is so they give them jobs. Either just give jobs on merit and say to the manager sorry but i'm not sure this lad you've been mates with since you were 6 is the very best coach available to us, or accept that there are differing reasons for people being given jobs which aren't always because there is no way we could find anyone better.

...but the manager does employ coaches based on their proven coaching ability.

 

[Lanolin]

...but the manager does employ coaches based on their proven coaching ability.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Joey66]

Sorry I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. Of course it's understandable, I've already said that. In fact it's more than understandable, it's sensible, necessary almost.

You're saying that we should employ coaches based on their coaching ability rather than ex-players. I'm saying should the same not apply to the coaches the manager brings then? You've just agreed that manager's don't employ staff because they think they're the best, they employ them because they get on (the 'worked successfully' bit is a bit of a stretch, seeing as managers carry on doing it even after repeated failures).

The point is, if the manager can employ people because they do things the way he likes, then why shouldn't the club? They believe that ex-players will be aware of how the club wants to do things and will provide continuity regardless of who the manager is so they give them jobs. Either just give jobs on merit and say to the manager sorry but i'm not sure this lad you've been mates with since you were 6 is the very best coach available to us, or accept that there are differing reasons for people being given jobs which aren't always because there is no way we could find anyone better.

The only trophies recently we have won have been mainly former players in management .......

 

[everton1953]

I haven't read back to see why this thread should be a subject for debate. Has something happened to throw doubts on him or his abilities or contributions to EFC? If not what is it all about? Assuming that no one on here has a clue regarding him, his, ability, his contribution, his role or otherwise, why bother? I hope it is not as someone suggested some people always need somebody to criticize regardless if EFC employ them.

 

[Lanolin]

The only trophies recently we have won have been mainly former players in management .......

Yes, and there are examples of it all across the world. I really don't see the problem with it myself, as long as the coaches are good enough then an Everton connection should be celebrated not bemoaned.

 

[dancing llama]

I haven't read back to see why this thread should be a subject for debate. Has something happened to throw doubts on him or his abilities or contributions to EFC? If not what is it all about? Assuming that no one on here has a clue regarding him, his, ability, his contribution, his role or otherwise, why bother? I hope it is not as someone suggested some people always need somebody to criticize regardless if EFC employ them.

Davek happened to him.

 

[granter79]

Well we're far far away from being where I want us to be.

WIP not a shambles. Try some positivity, its actually refreshing in small doses pal