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Dyche or Allardyce?

Dyche or Allardyce

  • Dyche

  • Allardyce

  • Moyes on toast

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Allardyce because he probably knows himself he will only be there till the end of the season. Dyche will expect to be given time and moyes will just get us relegated anyway.
 

orly said:
Imagine not caring if your club employs one of the most corrupt men in the English game just so you can swill around in the cesspit that is the English top flight for a bit longer, for the greater financial benefit of people like Kenwright and Moshiri.
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Not even a sly bit of ankle off of Tuchel ffs.
 
Manx Blue said:
That’s about the extent of it.
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He's a notoriously corrupt man who surrounds himself with people who will talk about match-fixing openly, not knowing they've been recorded.

The club's he has been at have, almost uniformly, ended up in grave financial crises after he's left. Once, coincidence, but three or four times? They all survived in the Prem, and then unraveled.

Don't we want to be something more that a club desperate to suckle on the fat piggy of the TV rights?
 
After much thought I can't pick one over the other Dyche seems a bit of a gamble but decent bloke and doing a half decent job at a club that I don't mind at all.
Fat Sam would stabilise us less of a gamble but comes with to much baggage for my liking.
Saying that thought Koeman would have been a lot better than he was so what do I know.
 

edge said:
After much thought I can't pick one over the other Dyche seems a bit of a gamble but decent bloke and doing a half decent job at a club that I don't mind at all.
Fat Sam would stabilise us less of a gamble but comes with to much baggage for my liking.
Saying that thought Koeman would have been a lot better than he was so what do I know.
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Same thoughts as me mate. It's like picking between Aids and Ebola.
 
To go with Allardyce would be entering a Faustian pact , selling our souls for survival. At some point you have to ask your self , is it worth it?
Those who think you can just employ him for a season are being naive. Even if he accepted it , by the end of season we would have a fat Sam side, a side geared for football we claim is anathema to us . So you thank him ,send him on his way and presumably employ a manager more suited to the football we aspire to. Problem is , he will have to dismantle the side and we destabilise the team once again with all the risk. Pointless.
Perhaps our problem is that since we stopped being a side who challenged for titles , we have clung to our top league record like drowning sailor to a splinter of wood , it will not save us it just prolongs the agony of hope. Other teams drop down ,survive, rebuild and return. It isn't always the end of world.
In the end what are attempting to preserve with these safe, unambitious prospective appointments? 30 years of mid table obscurity, occasionally winning the best of the rest trophy? Is that truly the weight of our collective ambition.
I would much rather we made a bold appointment , one who if he succeeds in preserving our premiership status will do so playing football we enjoy. Someone who does not just save us but gives hope for the future. Let's not cower in a corner like a whipped dog , clutching our top league record as if it matters to anyone but us. It's poo or bust time!
Above all LETS BE BRAVE , for gods sake.
 
catcherintherye said:
Would you go him over Tuchel if you have the chance mate?

By accounts Allardyce wants a 3 year deal. That means (another) big payment or we are stuck with him.

He wants to move in 15 of his own staff. That likely means job losses all round for Evertonians who have done nothing but serve our club with distinction.

The likelihood is, the majority of our promising young players are sidelined. I think Kenny, Baningime, Lookman, Vlasic, possibly Holgate and Davies will be sidelined for older yard dogs, while lads like Dowell will never get a look in.
We will likely take a huge loss on talented players such as Klaasen, Barkley, Sandro etc to help fund his re-adjustment to get the squad looking the way he wants it too.

Yes he keeps teams up, on the most part through good fortune. The majority though once he leaves implode, because his methods leave very little successional planning, very little opportunity for younger players and an over emphasis on ageing players. Bolton he left- relegation. Newcastle he left-relegation. Sunderland-Relegation. Crystal Palace-likely relegation.

Perhaps most importantly, if he comes in now, we are done. The small window of opportunity is gone. Our standing as a club looking to close and break the gap of the top 6 teams done. We will have finally accepted our lot as one of the clubs outside of the top 6, happy to play plodding direct football. Even if we bin him off after 18 months (at a huge cost) our reputation will take significant time to rebuild.

Is this worth it to give us a greater likelihood of survival? Maybe. I can see why some would want it (not for me though).

As you rightly say though, fingers need to be pointed at the board. Was all of the above worth it. The plan thrown out of the window. Decent Evertonians losing their jobs to satisfy the ego of a fella after a last big pay check. Young scousers thrown out of the team for journeymen pro's. That will have been allowed to happen, because Farhad decided it wasn't as important as moving Kenwright, Woods & Elstone out of the club.
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Sod it, Catcher.

You have simultaneously scared the bejasus out of me and made me have a re-think.

I am changing my vote to the Toast option.

Good God in Heaven....how has my beloved and once mighty club fallen to this level of awfulness :rant:
 

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