dyche thinks

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I miss Don Carlo.

Possibly the greatest manager of all time looked after us for a year. Dreamland stuff.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Hey guys I’m doing a survey and looking for a very specific type of person if any of you can help. It’s about addiction to past managers of the football club you support and being locked in a spiral of giving out about them on the internet. If anybody knows any candidates please do give me a shout.

Big thanks in advance.

Whisper it to summon him: 72 points

 

[Cameron Manning]

Mostly in Premier League games there isn't a massive difference in the teams but if you have a go you sometimes get a bit of luck and get over the line. Sometimes if you have a go you don't get lucky and get beat or draw. The important thing is to have a go and try to win the game. That is what Moyes' Everton have been doing. That is why we have won 17 points from the last 10 games rather than 17 points from 19. That is also why fans are enjoying the games and actually looking forward to them. Previously Everton matches were spoiling our weekends. It is also why we gave the RS a good game and why we were unlucky not to beat United and, with a bit of luck, we might have won against West Ham at the end.

Fair enough let’s hope he and Everton keep it up for all our sakes.

 

[Lob]

People still defending Dyche with the same vigour as Johnnnie Cochran defended Oj Simpson.
Marvellous

Full blown Dycheholme syndrome. Gonna take a long time to recover for some and some may never recover. Imagine trying to turn going from Premier League Manager to talk sport co host into something positive. It's just a rest in between jobs and all that. He will be on about a tenth of what he earned at Everton. Not even a full host, just a co host but if he does well he might get promoted to host.

 

[PITA]

Fair enough let’s hope he and Everton keep it up for all our sakes.

That we can all agree on.

 

[Gilbert..]

Dyche kept Everton up, against the odds, for 2 seasons.

We all felt we were doomed when he come in. Stayed up.

After Bournemouth, which marked two successive seasons we relied on our final home game to stay up - if you told fans that we'll still need to continue to sell/make a profit, and still have a self preservation board/circus (777, statements calling fans thugs, headlocks, the lot)... PLUS hefty point deductions, then 9/10 fans would have wrote us off that season too. We stayed up.

If you can't acknowledge that effort, or credit Dyche for his role - then I give up.

The 3rd season, it become stale. It happens, that's football. He left 19 games into a season with us above the drop. He's not stupid, his methods were never going to be effective and/when the writing was on the wall.

His job was to keep the clubs head above water until new owners. He did that, and I'm grateful.

I also acknowledge he's a limited manager and never the man to progress/take Everton on, but grateful for his impact at Everton.

The anger and hatred from a handful of online fans to me is bizarre.

Your posts on Dyche. You're either a wum. If you are you put a lot of work into it. If you're serious its scary that you support Everton.
The first season as you say. He came in in january. The team were crap but it wasnt abandon ship time. We were not adrift. So going into the bournemouth game we won 1 game in 11 under dyche. You're incorrect about it was two seasons in a row we had to win the last game. The previous season we still had another game. Ok it was Arsenal but we still had one. Under Dyche we were factually 45 minutes from being relegated. What if we'd managed to win just 2 or 3 of those 11 games? We wouldnt have been 45 minutes from the championship. Oh but only dyche could have got us those draws building up to bournemouth? Is that a bit like this season when the likes of yourself kept telling everyone who can do any better with what we have? Hows that worked out?
The other point its just gone stale? That happens in football? He was at Everton for 2 years. Not 20 lol.
The fella was morphing the club into Burnley. He couldnt understand why Evertonians never really took to him. Why he wasnt getting showered with adulation for getting a 0-0 away from home without a single shot at goal. i'll tell you why. Because we're not Burnley.
You need to stop kissing his arse that he saved this club from oblivion because Moyes isnt even the greatest manager around but even he's showed that his negative dour approach and tactics to every match was why we had less goals than games. Why we had less points than games. Why every game we went into we looked beat before it even kicked off.
Its nothing to do with "it just went stale" he brought the same ethos from Burnley to Everton. The same Burnley he was getting relegated in 2022.
Awful manager who happens to be a narcissist to boot.

 

[Cameron Manning]

That we can all agree on.

Have it your way.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Your posts on Dyche. You're either a wum. If you are you put a lot of work into it. If you're serious its scary that you support Everton.
The first season as you say. He came in in january. The team were crap but it wasnt abandon ship time. We were not adrift. So going into the bournemouth game we won 1 game in 11 under dyche. You're incorrect about it was two seasons in a row we had to win the last game. The previous season we still had another game. Ok it was Arsenal but we still had one. Under Dyche we were factually 45 minutes from being relegated. What if we'd managed to win just 2 or 3 of those 11 games? We wouldnt have been 45 minutes from the championship. Oh but only dyche could have got us those draws building up to bournemouth? Is that a bit like this season when the likes of yourself kept telling everyone who can do any better with what we have? Hows that worked out?
The other point its just gone stale? That happens in football? He was at Everton for 2 years. Not 20 lol.
The fella was morphing the club into Burnley. He couldnt understand why Evertonians never really took to him. Why he wasnt getting showered with adulation for getting a 0-0 away from home without a single shot at goal. i'll tell you why. Because we're not Burnley.
You need to stop kissing his arse that he saved this club from oblivion because Moyes isnt even the greatest manager around but even he's showed that his negative dour approach and tactics to every match was why we had less goals than games. Why we had less points than games. Why every game we went into we looked beat before it even kicked off.
Its nothing to do with "it just went stale" he brought the same ethos from Burnley to Everton. The same Burnley he was getting relegated in 2022.
Awful manager who happens to be a narcissist to boot.

Hello.

I think you either have a short, or selective memory. Or, you're blinkered in anger towards Dyche.

My opinion has been consistent.

Before that season started, I shared a view we'd struggle;

I think there was some, typical pre-season delusion that crept in to parts of the fan base.

Lampard has a full pre-season, he'll stamp his style...
Tarkowski will sort the defence...
We'll replace Richarlison...

Pre-season matches are a nonsense, they're not needed to tell me this team, managed by Frank Lampard is relegation fodder;



Just like it was under Benitez, and just like it will be around Christmas under Roberto Martinez if we don't make the signings desperately needed/Lampard lasts that long.

Just before we then achieved our worst ever points total on our history going onto Feb, with a total no team had stayed up with from before, I shared reason why I think we were down - right here. We got worse after that too losing Southampton (H) and West Ham (A).

You actually agreed, replying to my thread 'Why I Think Everton Will Be Relegated' on 19th Jan 2023 with;

Coz we're sh!t.

Would have covered all bases.

The week after, and a week or so before we hired Dyche you'd defend Lampard, like;

Last bit is a real debate.

"Everton have enough quality players to escape relegation under a competent manager"

I have read that a few times today. I genuinely think these are people who dont watch Everton regularly.

But i hope they're right and i'm wrong.

So the week or so before Dyche, you were saying we were down because we're crap. You'd also regularly defended Lampard for not having the players.

My view has remained that, a view you shared - it hasn't changed because Dyche isn't as fashionable as Lampard.

We stayed up.

If I'm saying before the season started under Lampard we'll be relegation fodder, and going into Feb under Lampard that we'll go down - then yes, I'm going to give Dyche credit for preventing that.

You can sneer at that effort now, downplay it as Dyche's fault for not winning enough with a team that lost 11 in 14 before he come in before Bournemouth - but I'll give Dyche credit. The only time I felt we were going down, he come in and prevented that. If you go back and review your posts in the months before Dyche, maybe you would give him credit too.

[Edit] Oh and @windymiller if someone calls me a wum/credentials on being an Evertonian, I'll gladly review the archives.

 

[Gilbert..]

Hello.

I think you either have a short, or selective memory. Or, you're blinkered in anger towards Dyche.

My opinion has been consistent.

Before that season started, I shared a view we'd struggle;



Just before we then achieved our worst ever points total on our history going onto Feb, with a total no team had stayed up with from before, I shared reason why I think we were down - right here. We got worse after that too losing Southampton (H) and West Ham (A).

You actually agreed, replying to my thread 'Why I Think Everton Will Be Relegated' on 19th Jan 2023 with;



The week after, and a week or so before we hired Dyche you'd defend Lampard, like;



So the week or so before Dyche, you were saying we were down because we're crap. You'd also regularly defended Lampard for not having the players.

My view has remained that, a view you shared - it hasn't changed because Dyche isn't as fashionable as Lampard.

We stayed up.

If I'm saying before the season started under Lampard we'll be relegation fodder, and going into Feb under Lampard that we'll go down - then yes, I'm going to give Dyche credit for preventing that.

You can sneer at that effort now, downplay it as Dyche's fault for not winning enough with a team that lost 11 in 14 before he come in before Bournemouth - but I'll give Dyche credit. The only time I felt we were going down, he come in and prevented that. If you go back and review your posts in the months before Dyche, maybe you would give him credit too.

[Edit] Oh and @windymiller if someone calls me a wum/credentials on being an Evertonian, I'll gladly review the archives.

Everyone and i mean everyone thought we were crap and in danger. There is no denying that.
Everton have appointed two awful managers in lampard and dyche. We've been very lucky that we've had teams like luton sheff utd southampton ipswich etc or we'd have dropped. Its luck as much as anything we've had a few teams even worse.
There is no anger. Drop the analysis stuff. You're not clever enough.
Two crap managers. We've dodged a bullet.
Hopefully from here on in we wont appoint anymore awful managers.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Everyone and i mean everyone thought we were crap and in danger. There is no denying that.
Everton have appointed two awful managers in lampard and dyche. We've been very lucky that we've had teams like luton sheff utd southampton ipswich etc or we'd have dropped. Its luck as much as anything we've had a few teams even worse.
There is no anger. Drop the analysis stuff. You're not clever enough.
Two crap managers. We've dodged a bullet.
Hopefully from here on in we wont appoint anymore awful managers.

Nah he had you on toast there brother

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Everyone and i mean everyone thought we were crap and in danger. There is no denying that.
Everton have appointed two awful managers in lampard and dyche. We've been very lucky that we've had teams like luton sheff utd southampton ipswich etc or we'd have dropped. Its luck as much as anything we've had a few teams even worse.
There is no anger. Drop the analysis stuff. You're not clever enough.
Two crap managers. We've dodged a bullet.
Hopefully from here on in we wont appoint anymore awful managers.

Apology accepted.

Just don't let it happen again.

 

[Gilbert..]

Nah he had you on toast there brother

I only ever see you with your tongue up dyches rim. So theres no surprise there lol

 

[Gilbert..]

Apology accepted.

Just don't let it happen again.

Stop talking sh!t and it might

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Everyone and i mean everyone thought we were crap and in danger. There is no denying that.
Everton have appointed two awful managers in lampard and dyche. We've been very lucky that we've had teams like luton sheff utd southampton ipswich etc or we'd have dropped. Its luck as much as anything we've had a few teams even worse.
There is no anger. Drop the analysis stuff. You're not clever enough.
Two crap managers. We've dodged a bullet.
Hopefully from here on in we wont appoint anymore awful managers.

Just to add to this point you made which again serves to try and undermine the effort to stay up;

People often say this, I'm not so sure myself.

I figure every team play eachother twice.

Last season we earned 48 points. 36 the season before that. And 39 before that.

Taking our lowest total there - very few teams will have gone down in the 30+ years of the Prem with 36 points. I make it only Newcastle and West Ham in the last 25 or so years.

So while it might feel lucky, particularly last season and this given how bad the bottom 3 have been - we'll have earned well enough points to be clear any season.

I think we've been safe this season since beating Crystal Palace. Part of that is factoring in how bad the bottom 3 are, so I kinda get the shout - just not sure 'We've been lucky the bottom 3 so bad' when we've ultimately earned the points generally required to stay up 95% of the time.

So I disagree, we weren't lucky based on teams. We always earned the points required to stay up.

The season we stayed up on 36 points, thanks to this run of results to take us from 19th;



^ Check the replies for sentiment at the time.

... and we did so at the expense of Leeds and Leicester. Both, in particular Leicester - had some good players like Maddison, Tielemans, Harvey Barnes, Ricardo Pereira.

Saving us that season was credit worthy one.

Keeping us up, comfortably, with hefty point deduction after the seasons which immediately preceded it was credit worthy two.

 

[Gilbert..]

Just to add to this point you made which again serves to try and undermine the effort to stay up;



So I disagree, we weren't lucky based on teams. We always earned the points required to stay up.

The season we stayed up on 36 points, thanks to this run of results to take us from 19th;



^ Check the replies for sentiment at the time.

... and we did so at the expense of Leeds and Leicester. Both, in particular Leicester - had some good players like Maddison, Tielemans, Harvey Barnes, Ricardo Pereira.

Saving us that season was credit worthy one.

Keeping us up, comfortably, with hefty point deduction after the seasons which immediately preceded it was credit worthy two.

We won 1 game in 11 leading up to bournemouth. He shut up shop in the games against the likes of leicester and wolves and settled for the draw. We were 45 minutes from getting relegated because we had no wins on the board. It was very sean dyche. He'd been out of work for a year after relegating burnley in 2022 for a good reason.
We're not going to agree. You think he was brilliant. I think a bog standard manager could have probably did it.
I think he's awful. You dont.