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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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Steve0 said:
Falcao and depay outscored Fekir That's just a fact. I think Balotelli was close. Three PL flops. Well mediocre at best. Martial hasn't set this league alight either. Bakayoko too....it's not looking promising. If i was a red then I'd be worried about spending so much on a player in that league. Especially with a net debt approaching £300m.

Lookman looked the superior player to Keita. Again that's just a fact. A small sample of games but no doubt who most coaches would want if those games alone were taken into account. He found the German league too much for him at times and had a fairly worrying disciplinary record, one struggles to see how that'll be improved when he moves here. Again, it's a large outlay on an unproven hothead.

Fabinho, he looks like a French Carlton Palmer....again he's coming from the French league. It's a worry.

Especially as the defence needs to be replaced wholesale. VVD is a donkey with no footballing brain, Robertson surprised everyone by not being awful but he's still an average player, Lovren lol, Karius lol lol lol lol lol , Arnold is another who is quite uninspiring despite the hype.

Matip isn't bad.
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You seem pretty set in your views. Keita's stat metrics are jaw dropping over the last two seasons. Even with the eye test when it comes to watching him, he seems pretty special. His ability to dart away from an opponent will be a common image next season. He has a brilliant eye for a pass too. Genuinely think he'll be known as one of the best CM's in Europe by the end of next season.

When we signed Salah all the advanced stats pointed to him being a success and the same now holds for all of Keita, Fekir and Fabiano.

Think you'll end up being pretty surprised by how these three turn out.

VVD a donkey? That's just crazy.
 
James82 said:
The point is we were in contention till May for both. That's all you can try to do as a club and i do feel we've now got a team to compete again for the next few seasons.

Klopp hit 76 points with a mish mash centre midfield. Now with the addition of 3 elite CM's, we could easily improve by a further say 10 - 15 points for a close fought race with City. So im not sure i agree with the thinking he can't operate a league campaign successfully.

Getting us to reach 76 points whilst navigating a gruelling CL run shows his ability in the league. Now with the midfield upgraded our points total should improve by quite a bit next season
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Don't forgot you had Coutinho for half the season, also that curly haired pace merchant isn't having another season like that as long as he lives, if he even recovers from the GBH inflicted on him by that Spanish thug.

Defence is weak and and thinly covered. There's the fact VVD is undroppable despite being a bit of a liability if we're honest. Not much to replace him with.

The CL campaign wasn't gruelling, practically given a bye to the semis then helped by incompetent officials and outclassed in the final.

Why are you putting so much faith in two signings who are from a league that's renowned for producing flops? Serious question btw. I'm not understanding the hype.
 
James82 said:
You seem pretty set in your views. Keita's stat metrics are jaw dropping over the last two seasons. Even with the eye test when it comes to watching him, he seems pretty special. His ability to dart away from an opponent will be a common image next season. He has a brilliant eye for a pass too. Genuinely think he'll be known as one of the best CM's in Europe by the end of next season.

When we signed Salah all the advanced stats pointed to him being a success and the same now holds for all of Keita, Fekir and Fabiano.

Think you'll end up being pretty surprised by how these three turn out.

VVD a donkey? That's just crazy.
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You sound like that guy who wants to be Phase of Play on RAWK, don't know his name. What even are 'advance stat metrics'? Does he have the top score on 'opponent darting away from'? Who are his main competitors in this aspect of the game?
 
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I see where this is going.

Ok we're going to be [Poor language removed]; miss out on top 4 and go into administrarion. We will cease as a club and be no more.
 
Another worrying aspect about Liverpool's squad is their contract situation.

SEVEN players see their contract run out in a year's time. Already lost Can to a free and now look to lose big signings like Bogdan, Sturridge, Moreno and Milner on frees too. As well some youngsters who looked promising at one time.

That's bad enough but after that they have SEVEN players who's contract runs out a year after that. Clyne, Henderson, Lallana, Matip, Ings.....quite a few first team appearances between them. Do they offer them new contracts knowing that they know Virgil the Donkey is on £180k a week? Or do they try to sell them weakening the squad? Or do they let their contracts run down as well?

They don't seem to be a very well run club.

Hence the £300m (and growing) net debt.

These are very, very worrying times for the loveables. This spree looks like the actions of a desperate club, if they fail then Liverpool could easily go the way of Leeds.
 

James82 said:
I see where this is going.

Ok we're going to be [Poor language removed]; miss out on top 4 and go into administrarion. We will cease as a club and be no more.
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Or two players from a league that's produced flop after flop is going to propel the 4th place team to league title after league title?
 
James82 said:
You seem pretty set in your views. Keita's stat metrics are jaw dropping over the last two seasons. Even with the eye test when it comes to watching him, he seems pretty special. His ability to dart away from an opponent will be a common image next season. He has a brilliant eye for a pass too. Genuinely think he'll be known as one of the best CM's in Europe by the end of next season.

When we signed Salah all the advanced stats pointed to him being a success and the same now holds for all of Keita, Fekir and Fabiano.

Think you'll end up being pretty surprised by how these three turn out.

VVD a donkey? That's just crazy.
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14 goals and 12 assists across 2 seasons in Germany is hardly ‘jaw dropping’

You lot spout utter nads.
 
James82 said:
The point is we were in contention till May for both. That's all you can try to do as a club and i do feel we've now got a team to compete again for the next few seasons.

Klopp hit 76 points with a mish mash centre midfield. Now with the addition of 3 elite CM's, we could easily improve by a further say 10 - 15 points for a close fought race with City. So im not sure i agree with the thinking he can't operate a league campaign successfully.

Getting us to reach 76 points whilst navigating a gruelling CL run shows his ability in the league. Now with the midfield upgraded our points total should improve by quite a bit next season
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Try hitting 72 points with Tim Howard in goal, Jagielka at the heart of a defence and Steven Naismith up front.
 
Steve0 said:
Don't forgot you had Coutinho for half the season, also that curly haired pace merchant isn't having another season like that as long as he lives, if he even recovers from the GBH inflicted on him by that Spanish thug.

Defence is weak and and thinly covered. There's the fact VVD is undroppable despite being a bit of a liability if we're honest. Not much to replace him with.

The CL campaign wasn't gruelling, practically given a bye to the semis then helped by incompetent officials and outclassed in the final.

Why are you putting so much faith in two signings who are from a league that's renowned for producing flops? Serious question btw. I'm not understanding the hype.
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Salah will still hit 20 league goals. In fact with Keita and Fekir behind him, i do expect him to hit 25-30 goals.

Thing is with the added creativity in our '8' positions, Mane and Firmino will improve their goal output by quite a bit too. Firmino should end up with 20 with the new service behind him.

Not to forget the goals that will come out of Keita and Fekir. They should get 15-20 combined which will be a massive step up from the lack of goals we got out of Milner, Wijnaldum and Can in those positions.

It would be a massive failure if we didn't get 100 league goals.
 
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James82 said:
You seem pretty set in your views. Keita's stat metrics are jaw dropping over the last two seasons. Even with the eye test when it comes to watching him, he seems pretty special. His ability to dart away from an opponent will be a common image next season. He has a brilliant eye for a pass too. Genuinely think he'll be known as one of the best CM's in Europe by the end of next season.

When we signed Salah all the advanced stats pointed to him being a success and the same now holds for all of Keita, Fekir and Fabiano.

Think you'll end up being pretty surprised by how these three turn out.

VVD a donkey? That's just crazy.
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Just had a look at KEita's stats and I've compared them to Sigurdsson, who's received a lot of stick this season, even (especially?) on this board.

Naby should be streets ahead....

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/243510/Show/Naby-Keita
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/243510/Show/Naby-Keita

Offensive stats:
-Naby is dispossessed more than twice as often as Siggy. Hmmm.

-Key passes are the same. PL is the tougher league so got to give that to the Icelander. Sorry.

-6 goals and 5 assists versus 4 goals and 3 assists in their leagues. Again once we take into account the PL is a superior league and Gylfi was coming back from an injury to a ramshackle side it's hardly a resounding victory for the Nabster. Might be tempted to even give that to Gylfi.

-Mis-control per game is the same overall. Again players get less time on the ball in England. A victory for Siggy.

So you see, Keita's stats see him lagging behind a player widely believed (wrongly as it happens like) to have flopped so I can't see what you're talking about.

Next year though, eh? ;)
 
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James82 said:
You seem pretty set in your views. Keita's stat metrics are jaw dropping over the last two seasons. Even with the eye test when it comes to watching him, he seems pretty special. His ability to dart away from an opponent will be a common image next season. He has a brilliant eye for a pass too. Genuinely think he'll be known as one of the best CM's in Europe by the end of next season.

When we signed Salah all the advanced stats pointed to him being a success and the same now holds for all of Keita, Fekir and Fabiano.

Think you'll end up being pretty surprised by how these three turn out.

VVD a donkey? That's just crazy.
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I've already run the rule over him last season. My scouting report is as follows:

Severely lacking in pace carrying the ball; wasteful in final third; distribution poor (especially longer passes); aggressive (too aggressive at times and will pick up cards). Plus points: he has great balance (as so many diminutive players do); combative (a plus as long as he keeps a lid on it); will bring a bit more dribbling into Liverpool's midfield which has been absent for years.

Overall: a wasteful £55M/£59M.
 
James82 said:
You seem pretty set in your views. Keita's stat metrics are jaw dropping over the last two seasons. Even with the eye test when it comes to watching him, he seems pretty special. His ability to dart away from an opponent will be a common image next season. He has a brilliant eye for a pass too. Genuinely think he'll be known as one of the best CM's in Europe by the end of next season.

When we signed Salah all the advanced stats pointed to him being a success and the same now holds for all of Keita, Fekir and Fabiano.

Think you'll end up being pretty surprised by how these three turn out.

VVD a donkey? That's just crazy.
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Sounds like every pre-season when you all build your hopes up only for it to be your undoing. It’s this self entitlement that destroys any chance you’ve got.
Your fans get to your players, the pressure to win something is enormous and they crack.
You mentioned earlier that Klopp is a good Manager. He’s a one trick pony, a serial loser, but you lot buy into his fist pumping and and his behaviour also gets to the players.
He acted differently in the build up to the Madrid game, you lost that game before it even kicked off, because of Klopp and the expectation of your fans, if they can be called fans. Good Managers don’t lose 6 finals.
 

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