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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

gwladysnight said:
What I said was that the Nazi's in the 30s especially the early part of that decade seized upon any indiscretion perceived or not and magnified it and smeared an entire group.
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gwladysnight said:
What I have said is that in Germany in the 30s extremists used any slight indiscretion by a Jewish person as an excuse to stereotype all Jewish people.
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What you ACTUALLY said is quoted below. No mention of 'perceived indiscretions'

gwladysnight said:
a tiny proportion of Jews did bad things in the 30s in Germany.
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gwladysnight said:
Why do you always seek to twist things.

I made it absolutely clear that a tiny proportion of Jewish people did bad things in the 30s. That is factually correct. A tiny proportion of people of all races, genders, sexual orientations, ethnicities and locations do bad things.

The issue is when people try to seize on the tiny percentage of people from a group who do bad things and try to use that as a way to smear a whole group. That is where the comparison comes in between what happened in the 30s in Germany and what people like you seek to do here.

Instead of condemning the individuals who do bad things you try and smear a whole group of people.

That is just the way you act though you look to divide people and to do that you are quite willing to brand people as racist or anti-Semitic at the drop of a hat, with absolutely no evidence. You lose a debate or an argument and you resort to calling someone with an alternative view a racist or an anti-Semite.

Shall we return to why you are branding me a racist. My only crime was to ask you for evidence that BAME individuals were more prone to a poor outcome from COVID because of something in their genetic make up as opposed to it being down to inequalities in health care, a higher chance of working face to face with the public or socio-economic circumstances.

Despite telling, you that I am a BAME individual who works for the NHS and has looked into the matter because of my circumstances. You still accuse me of being a racist. Now because I have asked you to stop branding a group because of the actions of a tiny minority I am supposedly anti-Semitic.

You are a hypocrite. The first example of this is that you were only concerned about BAME individuals risk of COVID because you saw it as an opportunity to call for last season to be declared null and void to stop the RS winning the League. Strangely when we won our first 7 games and Hamez was tearing it up you conveniently forgot about the fate of BAME individuals.

The second is seizing on a hoax about the comparative number of season ticket holders the two Merseyside clubs have in the Liverpool City region. Then using it as a wedge to try and rile local fans. It is not surprising you love to take any opportunity to divide people. Doing so from the other side of the Country shows how pathetic that is. As a scouser who attends games I find it disgusting that people like yourself and DAVEK who don't attend home games love to whip hatred between fans safe in the knowledge that it will never affect you directly.

Here is a suggestion there are laws against hate speech in this Country. So if you really think that I have posted something racist or anti-semitic then please report me to the authorities because I am sure this forum will co-operate and forward my IP adresss.

If not please stop throwing around baseless accusations like confetti at a wedding just because someone will not go along with your warped agenda.
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One point here. Being a BAME individual, should not be used as justification for racism.
 

gwladysnight said:
Except I did no such and you know it. What I said was that the Nazi's in the 30s especially the early part of that decade seized upon any indiscretion perceived or not and magnified it and smeared an entire group. That was the groundwork for what came later.

I made it clear that people of all groups do things that are wrong. What hateful individuals do is to ignore everyone else's mistakes or wrongdoings and home in on their target group.

That is exactly what you are doing with the RS. Ignoring the failings of all other fans and homing in on your target group. You then use those indiscretions to smear a whole group of people.

When you are pulled up on it, you call people racists and anti-Semitic.

My opinion is that Scousers generally get on and take the mickey out of each other and it tends to be people from outside of Merseyside on both sides who take things way too far. People like you.

This thread should be about humour and banter and not about branding groups of people murderers, paedophiles, mutants or any other disgusting term. Above all do not label a whole group by the actions of a tiny minority because it just breeds hatred and allows the nutters to take things too far.
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I mean you didn't say that at all, you said "Jewish people did bad things in the 30s" and continue to make prolonged and ridiculous defence of it.

All because Liverpool don't appear to have many supporters in the city area.

And I couldn't care less if you are or are not a scouser, but I can assure you, nobody needs lectures on taking things too far from a guy who makes a moral equivalence between a group of football supporters and the persecution of the Jewish race in the 1930's. Truly bizarre, even for a Liverpool fan.
 

kev said:
What you ACTUALLY said is quoted below. No mention of 'perceived indiscretions'
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He does this a lot. Says something ridiculous, gets called on it, then lies about what he said. He then also gets really if you point out to him what he actually said, not what he is trying to gas light you into thinking he said.

He's a classic abuser. Men like him are really easy to spot, and irritate. You just have to say back to them what they have said. Watch him get angrier and angrier as people calmly point out to him he is wrong and out of line.

He ismassively triggered Liverpool probably have less fans than Tranmere in the city region if figures are to be believed. It's pretty damming.
 
catcherintherye said:
He does this a lot. Says something ridiculous, gets called on it, then lies about what he said. He then also gets really if you point out to him what he actually said, not what he is trying to gas light you into thinking he said.

He's a classic abuser. Men like him are really easy to spot, and irritate. You just have to say back to them what they have said. Watch him get angrier and angrier as people calmly point out to him he is wrong and out of line.

He ismassively triggered Liverpool probably have less fans than Tranmere in the city region if figures are to be believed. It's pretty damming.
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I came across the term "DARVO" only yesterday. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
I do believe this guy is an example.
 

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