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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

arch stanton said:
I think there is some confusion in the 30-40,000 figure, I read it as there were 30-40k attempts, so in your assessment, 10k blag tickets, each one tried 3 or 4 times at the turnstile before the presenter gets turned away.
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And as I have said before, if you know you have a blag ticket you'd get there early so you could try again so that makes sense.

The most logical explanation seems to be a very high volume of fake tickets early on slowing everything down. No other events at Stade de France have played out like this.
 
‘But … but … but, it was black French youths’.

I’m pretty sure one of the earliest videos clearly shows dozens of white males, wearing Liverpool shirts, climbing over a fence/wall. I think it was posted by Benchwarmers on Facebook/Instagram.

Socialism FC really have no qualms about demonising a minority group when it fits their agenda ?
 
Pabbers said:
This sounds bad, but im sick of seeing reds telling lies about incidents, so it makes me doubt any of them.

1 was talking over his video, pointing out all the armed police at the LFC end, and saying its a joke that none are at the madrid end....while in the video it clearly shows armed police at the Madrid end.

1 guy posts his video of a so-called foiled terrorist attack, and him seeing knives and guns....clearly zero weapons in the video and the "suspects" smiling and laughing with police.....people agreeing with him in the comments saying they was also in that bar and seen the same guns!!

Another chap, was with his kid and had a bad time, and thats awfull....but he then starts to tell people to delete vids and pictures that show fellow reds acting up...and he wrote "Delete these mate, they are fuelling the flames....have you seen what they are saying about us...." ......So his child was in tears, and he is wanting to delete evidence of trouble makers.

It feels like im in a simulation, and everyone is in a cult around me.
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That thing with the riot police after has been doing my head in, large accounts like Lineker saying the same thing when you can clearly see the police down at the madrid end as well. It’s bonkers



Here’s the video where you can see the police at the other end
 

toffee82 said:
And as I have said before, if you know you have a blag ticket you'd get there early so you could try again so that makes sense.

The most logical explanation seems to be a very high volume of fake tickets early on slowing everything down. No other events at Stade de France have played out like this.
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This. I took the quote of 70% of RS tickets being fake to mean that when they opened the gates at 6pm, 2 out of every 3 attempts to enter was invalid. This could have been only a thousand in total but would have been sufficient to cause the authorities to panic and start closing gates.

I see that they already preparing their response for when the fake ticket issue is proved to be the cause of the problems. 5 live had a "ticket expert" on this morning claiming the blag ticket issue was UEFA's fault for not monitoring the internet in the weeks before the match.
 
toffee82 said:
If this commission proves thousands of fake tickets then they should be getting banned.

An older stadium with less space around and it could have been an absolute catastrophe.
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They’ve already done their job in the media to ramp up the pressure on uefa and the French government/police so much that they’ll probably accept a stalemate now where no party comes out of this looking bad. The investigation will find nothing and Liverpool will mysteriously let all their accusations drop as well. Sweep it all away to avoid having to accept any blame at all.
 
WilliamPerry said:
You keep repeating 40k ticketless fans . It was 30/40k ATTEMPTS at gaining entry . you are making any argument you have null and void by repeating this
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And even that is clearly nonsensical and has been called out at such.

Anyway I'm done, I just checked the site and thought I'd reply.

I just hope something similar doesn't happen to us next time we ever get to go to France or Spain or the like on a proper European away.

I'd trust that our fans would behave better than RS ones. I also saw what happened in Lille for no reason.
 

Cow kecks said:
You are not a Scouser as you've stated so I don't think you will know anything about the criminal element in this city, they will do anything to make money. They won't be printing a few hundred blags, more like thousands upon thousands, these are then passed on to their seller's. These will then target the buyer's at fanzones, pubs and outside grounds, even during travel. I've seen first hand lots of times people with wads of them offloading them. As kick off nears the prices are reduced drastically and then even given away. The only thing ridiculous about the French saying 40,000 is that they have probably greatly underestimated.
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I know there's plenty of dodgy people from anywhere mate, and I know that Liverpool fans is notoriously bad for it.

I still don't think 40,000 were denied entry... because people would have been killed if 120,000 people turned up to the ground.

I can fully see 40k or more having gone to Paris without tickets.
 
arch stanton said:
3000 extra into an enclosure for 20000 is 15% over populated. Add in those who jumped/rushed barriers and that end may well have been 20-25% over populated. They never learn. The brutal police tactics may have prevented even more getting in. We need no reminding of what can happen in these circumstances.
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Kopite rioters put the coppers in the position where they had to take indiscriminate action to save ALL lives in the Liverpool end.

Any pepper spray that got into innocent Liverpool fans got there because of their own 'urchins' and assorted criminal organisations.

The CRS prevented another Hillsborough...THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH.
 

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