ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[dholliday]

http://shewore.com/2014/04/21/five-live ... s-exposed/

That deserves to be quoted in full.

@rawk

Five Liverpool Myths Exposed
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Neutrals want Liverpool to win

The largest, most ludicrous myth around at this moment in time is that neutrals want Liverpool to win the league. This is ridiculous. Firstly, this myth has been mooted by pundits and press men. It has come from the likes of Jamie Carragher, Alan Hansen, Mark Lawrenson, Graeme Souness and Jamie Redknapp. Brilliant unbiased view point.

The reality is, neutrals do no want Liverpool to win the league. Many have grown up with Liverpool gloating over the last 30 years. Despite having not won the league for 23 years, their gloating is intolerable, and were they to win the league, it would only get worse. Most neutral’s can not wait until that clock ticks over to 25 years, a milestone. The neutrals certainly do not want Liverpool to win the league.

Liverpool doing it the right way

The key reason why Liverpool are ‘the neutrals favourite’ (although we have already debunked this myth) is due to them doing it the right way. They are battling against the evil forces of Russian Oligarch’s and Middle Eastern Oil men.

It seems to have been forgotten by the press however that Liverpool are owned by the Fenway Group, a conglomerate of brokers, bankers, hedge fund managers and media executives. Billionaires in their own right.

In the last accounts, Liverpool lost £50 million. Chelsea lost £49.4 million. Manchester City lost £51.6 million. And lets look at expenditure over the last 5 years:

Man City: £512m
Chelsea: £410m
Liverpool: £270m
Man Utd: £230m
Arsenal: £172m

Whilst they might not have spent as much as Chelsea and City, they have spent more than Arsenal and Man Utd (£100m more than Arsenal). Acting as if they have got where they are based on youth and spending little is a false statement.

So Liverpool are owned by foreign businessmen (same as Man City and Chelsea), make huge losses (same as Man City and Chelsea), yet are considered as ‘doing it the right way.’

Steven Gerrard is great captain and deserves his loyalty rewarded

Steven Gerrard tried to engineer a move to Chelsea
Steven Gerrard ran over a kid
Steven Gerrard was caught on CCTV assaulting a man in a bar

Lets stop the Gerrard love in shall we? He is the Scouse John Terry

Liverpool fans are good sportsmanship

For some reason, the press are presenting Liverpool fans as a brilliant example of sportsmanship. That they represent the English game with aplomb. What parallel universe have I slipped into?

These Liverpool fans got English football banned from Europe for 6 years after their behaviour caused the death of 39 Juventus fans at Heysel.

These Liverpool fans robbed off their own in Istanbul. Stealing tickets, travelling with fake tickets and jibbing through the barriers to see Liverpool in the 2005 Champions League final.

These Liverpool fans repeated the trick in 2007 at the Champions League Final in Athens. Selling their own fake tickets for £1,000. Travelling in their masses without tickets causing unsafe over crowding within the police cordon’s and fan zones.

Liverpool fan’s did similar at the Emirates Stadium during the Champions League Quarter Final in 2008. Every club throughout the Premier League will have their own stories of too many Liverpool fans turning up, fake tickets, and the lack of concern many Scousers have for their own fans safety. It seems to a Scouser, it is more important to see a game of football then be an honest, upstanding citizen. Their reckless behaviour is an accident waiting to happen.

And who can forget the Michael Shield’s incident. Whilst Shields has been correctly released from a jail after the murder of a Bulgarian man before a Liverpool away game, there is a murderer out there who was happy with his own mate taking the fall. Happy someone else taking a 10 year sentence for his crime. Happy for a fellow human being to be banged up abroad whilst he sits in Liverpool, probably still going to games, without a care in the world.

These incidents are not the only ones which highlight how poor the Liverpool fans are. Whilst the world mourns those who lost their lives at Hillsborough, Liverpool fans quite happily sing and gloat about the Munich disaster.

When Alan Smith broke his leg in 2006, those kind hearted Liverpool fans threw beer cans at the ambulance, blocked its progress, and attempted to turn it over. Nice men then.

Even last week, whilst Manchester City respectful remembered those who lost their life at Hillsborough, them Scouser’s attacked a coach, bricking the windows. The coach was reported to have had a ‘Justice for the 96′ flag in its window. What respect the Liverpool fans have for their fellow fans.

Liverpool fans are certainly not good sportsmen, they are the shame of English football.

Brendan Rodgers is a genius

Brendan Rodgers is a numpty. Anyone who has watched ‘Being: Liverpool’ will know he certainly is not a genius.

Liverpool have got lucky this year, Brendan Rodgers has got lucky this year. With no European football, and being knocked out of the cups early, he has been able to keep his squad fit, and at peak condition. Fewer games has restricted injuries, and meant that the likes of Sturridge and Sterling have been able to play at the top of the game for the entire season. Let’s see how they perform next year when they have to play twice a week. Just to highlight how few games Liverpool have played further:

Manchester City: 54 games
Arsenal: 52
Chelsea: 52
Tottenham: 51
Manchester United: 50
Everton: 41
Liverpool: 40

Clearly Everton and Liverpool have both benefited massively by playing hardly any games this season.



This is the truth about Liverpool. Do not believe the myths put out by the biased press.

 

[hullefc]

Liverpool are like the banks too big to fail, too big to have them languishing in 6th or 7th and not be challenging for top 4 or the league, too big not to have them in the Champions League. Without them in the top 4 and in the Champions League the 'brand' of each suffers. Scudamore let the cat out of the bag regarding Manu and how the Premier League would suffer financially. The same applies with LFC.

 

[canuckblue]

That deserves to be quoted in full.

@rawk

All those knuckle-draggers will do is point to the error of the Bulgarian being murdered and conveniently forget the dozens of home truths.

 

[king louis IX]

I have no problem accepting that point. I'm questioning the view though that playing 14 games more doesn't have an impact on the title's destination. It obviously does, and that, therefore, brings into question the achievement of the champions in waiting.

Imagine the kick off if we won the title and other teams were saying this. And rightly so. Did it contribute to their position so far? Of course but it is not the only reason for it and there's no way we would allow that to be used against any of our own achievements.

 

[canuckblue]

Imagine the kick off if we won the title and other teams were saying this. And rightly so. Did it contribute to their position so far? Of course but it is not the only reason for it and there's no way we would allow that to be used against any of our own achievements.

Ah, but I doubt we'd have been awarded as many penalties or have had as many not called against our challengers. Nor would we have a WWE wannabe at CB who should have been worth a penalty against us each game he played. Nor would we have been supporting an acknowledged racist with teething and inner ear/balance issues. So my guess is other teams wouldn't kick off as much about us playing 14 or so fewer games.

 

[larrygobfiend]

I have no problem accepting that point. I'm questioning the view though that playing 14 games more doesn't have an impact on the title's destination. It obviously does, and that, therefore, brings into question the achievement of the champions in waiting.

If Everton finish fourth, would you bring that achievement into question?

We've also played less games this season.

I'm usually a big fan of what you have to say regarding the rs, but in this instance, you're clutching at straws.

 

[davek]

Imagine the kick off if we won the title and other teams were saying this. And rightly so. Did it contribute to their position so far? Of course but it is not the only reason for it and there's no way we would allow that to be used against any of our own achievements.

That's not a reasonable analogy. If Everton won the title you'd have to factor in the massive chasm in spending between a (relatively speaking) pauperised club and clubs backed by major cash. That would have to be born in mind if anyone used the extra workload argument against this Everton team as worthy champions. Not so Liverpool. They are a club that have backed their managers to the hilt, maybe not as much as City/Chelsea, but massively and in excess of clubs like Arsenal and United who have won trophies domestically whilst playing the extra European game workload.

 

[davek]

If Everton finish fourth, would you bring that achievement into question?

We've also played less games this season.

I'm usually a big fan of what you have to say regarding the rs, but in this instance, you're clutching at straws.

I dont see how it's clutching at straws.

Question: in your opinion if Liverpool had had to play tue-sat/wed-sun what would you expect the league table to look like right now?

 

[king louis IX]

That's not a reasonable analogy. If Everton won the title you'd have to factor in the massive chasm in spending between a (relatively speaking) pauperised club and clubs backed by major cash. That would have to be born in mind if anyone used the extra workload argument against this Everton team as worthy champions. Not so Liverpool. They are a club that have backed their managers to the hilt, maybe not as much as City/Chelsea, but massively and in excess of clubs like Arsenal and United who have won trophies domestically whilst playing the extra European game workload.

It wouldn't have to be winning the league though. If somebody tried to say we qualified ahead of arsenal because they were in the champs league this year I'd hit the roof.

 

[larrygobfiend]

That's not a reasonable analogy. If Everton won the title you'd have to factor in the massive chasm in spending between a (relatively speaking) pauperised club and clubs backed by major cash. That would have to be born in mind if anyone used the extra workload argument against this Everton team as worthy champions. Not so Liverpool. They are a club that have backed their managers to the hilt, maybe not as much as City/Chelsea, but massively and in excess of clubs like Arsenal and United who have won trophies domestically whilst playing the extra European game workload.

To counter your argument, they could point to the fact that they won the league without the financial benefits of being in the champions league.

Hate to sound like I'm defending the rs, but your posts are reinforcing the 'bitter blue' stereotype.

Let's just hope they lose their arse for the last 3 games and we can all move on with our lives.

 

[davek]

To counter your argument, they could point to the fact that they won the league without the financial benefits of being in the champions league.

Hate to sound like I'm defending the rs, but your posts are reinforcing the 'bitter blue' stereotype.

Let's just hope they lose their arse for the last 3 games and we can all move on with our lives.

I dont care about the bitter blue tag. I think that's preventing a lot of people acknowledging what the facts are here: some are determined not to fall into a position where they could be called bitter.

How is pointing out that someone involved in a 100m race getting a 10m start has had an advantage 'being bitter'?

 

[davek]

It wouldn't have to be winning the league though. If somebody tried to say we qualified ahead of arsenal because they were in the champs league this year I'd hit the roof.

If someone said that you'd have a right to because of the point on finances I made.

Fortunately that doesn't apply with the Liverpool example. They are massive spenders who played a quarter of a season less than other massive spenders.

I expect my pointing out this makes me bitter. I should ignore the 25% less game workload and hundreds of millions Liverpool have spent and go along with it all.

 

[tsubaki]

That deserves to be quoted in full.

@rawk

of course Shields wasnt "correctly released", he was given a royal pardon in circumstances that are extremely odd

 

[dholliday]

of course Shields wasnt "correctly released", he was given a royal pardon in circumstances that are extremely odd

I admit I know next to nothing about that case. The football-related points in that blog were spot on, tho'.

 

[Aaron Mccoo]

I dont see how it's clutching at straws.

Question: in your opinion if Liverpool had had to play tue-sat/wed-sun what would you expect the league table to look like right now?

Surely if they where playing Champions League football they would have a bigger and better squad to deal with it??