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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Kinghowie said:
It's defo a generation thing. Some older Blues view Heysel as our SOLE downfall, blame them for everything that has happened to our club despite us playing a massive part in it ourselves. This gets passed onto the younger generation, who's hatred is only fuelled it. Was there as much hatred between both clubs in the proceeding years after Heysel? Of course not. The years of bad decisions by our Club, and therefore, decades of mediocrity made Heysel a convenient scapegoat.
I'm not disputing that Heysel played its part in splitting a great team up, losing our best manager in the process. But we were Champions 2 years after Heysel. We didn't build on that, other, lesser Clubs, inexcusably, caught us up because we sat on our bottoms and made some really bad decisions as a Club.You ask any Blue under the age of 30 and they will say "it was the RS that ruined our club". There was other mitigating circumstances but they've been lost amongst all the hatred.
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GerryandthePaceMerchants said:
Good post and thanks for replying as opposed to chucking insults. Agree with a lot of it but some points I feel need addressing.

The bold I'm not sure the song you mean, they sing the "five times" when they play Plymouth or Stoke so I'm not sure it's directed at us and a subtle nod to our European ban (don't think anyone who would want to do that would be clever enough). The rest of the examples you've given there bring me back to a point I've made before about the internet age making everything a sweeping statement, one person wearing a Bucharest scarf becomes "fans in scarfs and shirts" one Fanta scruff becomes fans goading Everton, a few dickheads scrapping becomes the whole fanbase bringing shame on a city, just like a couple of idiots singing "always the victim" becomes a whole away end. Its contributed directly to the horrible bitter stink in football since the Premier league kicked off. Twitter is the main culprit, with all this talk of "fake news" i think a lot of the accusations that fly round about football fans in general can fall into that category.

Are you suggesting that a self imposed 20 year ban should start today or that it should've taken place in 1985?
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How's the title challenge going mate? Mate?
 
d34noj said:
That's just it, it's not 'a few'... it's every single time they play. Whether they are tipping over Ambulances, stealing tickets, beating bystanders up, pushing walls over, throwing excrement at opposing fans, forcing their way through turnstiles, singing songs about the dead, waving banners to goad the opposition...

Quite sure I've missed plenty out - I'd say all of that makes them fair game.
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100% this.
 

Kinghowie said:
It's defo a generation thing. Some older Blues view Heysel as our SOLE downfall, blame them for everything that has happened to our club despite us playing a massive part in it ourselves. This gets passed onto the younger generation, who's hatred is only fuelled it. Was there as much hatred between both clubs in the proceeding years after Heysel? Of course not. The years of bad decisions by our Club, and therefore, decades of mediocrity made Heysel a convenient scapegoat.
I'm not disputing that Heysel played its part in splitting a great team up, losing our best manager in the process. But we were Champions 2 years after Heysel. We didn't build on that, other, lesser Clubs, inexcusably,You got a problem? Are you questioning my credentials of being a Blue? How dare you. I'd be very surprised if anyone on here has spent as much as me following this Club. Now &@££ off you blert. If you don't agree with what I posted, at least tell me where you think I'm wrong instead of posting sh1te like that. You nob

caught us up because we sat on our bottoms and made some really bad decisions as a Club.You ask any Blue under the age of 30 and they will say "it was the RS that ruined our club". There was other mitigating circumstances but they've been lost amongst all the hatred.
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Just gonna post the pm you sent me here mate..

You got a problem? Are you questioning my credentials of being a Blue? How dare you. I'd be very surprised if anyone on here has spent as much as me following this Club. Now &@££ off you blert. If you don't agree with what I posted, at least tell me where you think I'm wrong instead of posting sh1te like that. You nob
 
Kinghowie said:
It's defo a generation thing. Some older Blues view Heysel as our SOLE downfall, blame them for everything that has happened to our club despite us playing a massive part in it ourselves. This gets passed onto the younger generation, who's hatred is only fuelled it. Was there as much hatred between both clubs in the proceeding years after Heysel? Of course not. The years of bad decisions by our Club, and therefore, decades of mediocrity made Heysel a convenient scapegoat.
I'm not disputing that Heysel played its part in splitting a great team up, losing our best manager in the process. But we were Champions 2 years after Heysel. We didn't build on that, other, lesser Clubs, inexcusably, caught us up because we sat on our bottoms and made some really bad decisions as a Club.You ask any Blue under the age of 30 and they will say "it was the RS that ruined our club". There was other mitigating circumstances but they've been lost amongst all the hatred.
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At least try and hide if a little mate

Wow
 
I find it slightly perplexing that they herald and cherish their notorious hooligans of the past which are now being rekindled as their new 'urchins'.

Yet arguably those very same fans with their behaviour, although obviously including other clubs, formed the basis for stadia measures put in place.

Pens, segregation and a draconian mentality from the police, which caused such horror, directly resulted from earlier examples of hooliganism.

Nobody has ever questioned these people or their mentality however and many are still held with high regard today, which I find very uneasy.
 

Kinghowie said:
It's defo a generation thing. Some older Blues view Heysel as our SOLE downfall, blame them for everything that has happened to our club despite us playing a massive part in it ourselves. This gets passed onto the younger generation, who's hatred is only fuelled it. Was there as much hatred between both clubs in the proceeding years after Heysel? Of course not. The years of bad decisions by our Club, and therefore, decades of mediocrity made Heysel a convenient scapegoat.
I'm not disputing that Heysel played its part in splitting a great team up, losing our best manager in the process. But we were Champions 2 years after Heysel. We didn't build on that, other, lesser Clubs, inexcusably, caught us up because we sat on our bottoms and made some really bad decisions as a Club.You ask any Blue under the age of 30 and they will say "it was the RS that ruined our club". There was other mitigating circumstances but they've been lost amongst all the hatred.
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Its not a " generation thing " at all I've been following the blues since the early 60's and it was Shankly who started off this sense of entitlement and arrogance which is endemic in most rs I know. When we started winning stuff in the 80s again they just couldn't handle it and Heysel gave them the opportunity to wallow in our misfortune and call us bitter....this continues despite that quite rightly both clubs and supporters were united over Hillsborough...not bitter because of their previous success which is why they think we are but because some of their mutant fans prevented us and other clubs from progressing into European competition.......and we get the stupid mantra "5 times" and "ynwa" hurled at us. They are our afterbirth and its time they realised it...
 
It seems I'm having my credentials of being a Blue questioned again as I'm going against the majority. Please, if people disagree with me, say so and give a reason instead of questioning my loyalty. Be constructive. It's very easy to just throw insults around and ignore the subject matter. If people disagree with me, fine. But don't ever question my loyalty to this Club. I'm off now. I won't be posting on here again as, it seems, some of you don't like fans having an alternative argument. I'm obviously not fitting in with the narrative.

The post above, if it's not a generation thing, why has the hatred intensified in the last 10-15 years? I'd say that's a more recent phenomena. Generational, if you will.
 
Kinghowie said:
It seems I'm having my credentials of being a Blue questioned again as I'm going against the majority. Please, if people disagree with me, say so and give a reason instead of questioning my loyalty. Be constructive. It's very easy to just throw insults around and ignore the subject matter. If people disagree with me, fine. But don't ever question my loyalty to this Club. I'm off now. I won't be posting on here again as, it seems, some of you don't like fans having an alternative argument. I'm obviously not fitting in with the narrative.
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No point if you're leaving is there?
 
Kinghowie said:
It seems I'm having my credentials of being a Blue questioned again as I'm going against the majority. Please, if people disagree with me, say so and give a reason instead of questioning my loyalty. Be constructive. It's very easy to just throw insults around and ignore the subject matter. If people disagree with me, fine. But don't ever question my loyalty to this Club. I'm off now. I won't be posting on here again as, it seems, some of you don't like fans having an alternative argument. I'm obviously not fitting in with the narrative.

The post above, if it's not a generation thing, why has the hatred intensified in the last 10-15 years? I'd say that's a more recent phenomena. Generational, if you will.
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Hatred in football generally has increased. However, none of this "murderers, [Phrase removed]" rubbish was around at the time. I'm not saying people didn't dislike Liverpool fans and players, because we did. As said above Shankly used "trash talk" as did Emlyn Hughes, Tommy Smith etc. We always had more class, which is why we shouldn't stoop to pathetic insults.
 

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