Everton 1969/1970 or Everton 1984/1985 Which Squad Was Better?

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

That's why I hate that Dixie Dean is never mentioned when pundits talk about football's greatest ever strikers.

On topic, I suppose that the difference between the two is that 1969/70 was the very end of that squads amazing quality and
1984/85 was the start of a great era. I can't split them.

It’s because they think footy only started in 1992 with the premier league mate.

 

[Toffeelover]

On another thread the subject of manager/player discipline arose (Benitez/Digne, Moyes/blomquist) going back does anyone recall Duncan Mackenzie and the upsets with Gordon Lee?

 

[Toffeelover]

That's why I hate that Dixie Dean is never mentioned when pundits talk about football's greatest ever strikers.

On topic, I suppose that the difference between the two is that 1969/70 was the very end of that squads amazing quality and
1984/85 was the start of a great era. I can't split them.

My Dad seen all his home games back then and never stopped talking about him. The war messed it all up.

 

[Jeff Jones]

It’s because they think footy only started in 1992 with the premier league mate.

Yes, but some of the pundits I'm referring to aren't British and maybe wouldn't make that distinction.

It's probably because they incorrectly think that the ability needed to play football at that time was inferior.

I concede that the fitness levels weren't as high, but you could say the same about the eras of Puskas, Matthews, Di stefano, Best, and
Duncan Edwards, for example.

 

[blueloon]

I’m lucky, I’ve got very fond memories that will never die of both teams . I’ve gone for the 80s side , but to my dying day I’ll hope to be able to do the Hare Krishne chant of the 70’s team ….. Gordon West, Tommy Wright, Keith Newton , Howard Kendall ; Brian Labone , Colin Harvey , Jimmy Husband, Alan Ball; Joey Royle, Johnny Hurst, Johnny Morrissey , Harry Cattrick; ……Harry Catterick; Harry Catterick , …..

 

[Drico]

….Colin Harvey was part of both and said the 1970 team were better. I suppose I can’t argue with that, although the mid-80s team were a terrific blend of quality and attitude.

I can argue with that. He played in one team - that makes him, understandably, biased. Both sides were great, but the evidence - winning trophies and competing for them - demonstrably proves that the 1980s team was clearly superior. Two league titles, one FA Cup, and a Cup Winners' Cup - we'll ignore the three and a half Charity Shields, a League Cup final, two FA Cup finals, and a league runners-up spot - utterly trump one league title (and, at a stretch, an FA Cup final defeat two years earlier).

Style and preference is a matter of taste, but achievement is more objective. Our greatest side was in the 1980s and it's not even close.

 

[Trublue12]

The 69-70 was before my time. As Kendall's 84's team was the fist and well only one to actually give me the joy of success I have to go for the 84-85, very nearly won the trebble. Did it without Adrian Heath, who was in fantastic form before his serious injury. But I will argue that it stayed at or near to the top for several years and won trophies in more than one season. In 85-86 just missed out on the double ( I know the RS did it but it was a close run thing). The 86-87 team deserves even more credit, due to the extremely large amount of injuries it had, went on to win the Championship by 9 points. Over a very good Liverpool side.

The 69-70 team never repeated its success. Which was the best team, interms of skill and ability on its day? Thats a fairer question. I guess that Colin Harvey would be the best person to ask. Played for the 70 side and Coached the 80's side. Wow I would love to have that conversation with him.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Back then I went to a derby at Anfield, the only time I set foot in that place. Natrurally I was in the A road end. We won!!

The highlight for me was Morrisey turning Smith inside out and in. Smith could not handle him and daren't foul him because Morrisey would have got up and done for him.

Ha ha ha i heard stories about the players, being afraid to tackle Morrisey in training!lol A hard man no doubt, who probably would even have put Roy Keane in his place! With regards to that 1970 squad, you had Belfasts Tommy Jackson as well.

He would come in and do a job whenever any of the Holy Trinity weren't available. I think the trauma of getting robbed against that Greek crowd in europe, and losing to the rs in that cup semi final, sadly crushed the spirit of that team.

 

[roy vernon]

Ha ha ha i heard stories about the players, being afraid to tackle Morrisey in training!lol A hard man no doubt, who probably would even have put Roy Keane in his place! With regards to that 1970 squad, you had Belfasts Tommy Jackson as well.

He would come in and do a job whenever any of the Holy Trinity weren't available. I think the trauma of getting robbed against that Greek crowd in europe, and losing to the rs in that cup semi final, sadly crushed the spirit of that team.

One of the highlights of derby matches back then was to watch Moggsy and Smith kicking lumps off each other. The thing was they could both play a bit as well. Two very good, fearless footballers.

 

[paultheblue]

Ha ha ha i heard stories about the players, being afraid to tackle Morrisey in training!lol A hard man no doubt, who probably would even have put Roy Keane in his place! With regards to that 1970 squad, you had Belfasts Tommy Jackson as well.

He would come in and do a job whenever any of the Holy Trinity weren't available. I think the trauma of getting robbed against that Greek crowd in europe, and losing to the rs in that cup semi final, sadly crushed the spirit of that team.

I came away from that game at Old Trafford with tears rolling down my cheeks I don't think any particular match hurt so much as that particular day .
I have always had a soft spot for Charlie George and Arsenal after watching watching them turn over the RS in the final as I watched them with my dad at a friend of his house who was a red with a bunch of them in his house , I was wearing an Arsenal scarf and rosette and my dad slaughtered them when Charlie George scored he had his kecks round by his ankles and a big hairy arse was in front of the TV .
It was in the early days of colour TV but we were never invited again to see his Colour TV why they invited my arl fella I will never know as the day was there worst nightmare.

 

[deipnosophist]

I reckon the 80s team was the better one. Great team. From our present outfit, only Crab Iwobi would make the starting XI of that champion side.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I came away from that game at Old Trafford with tears rolling down my cheeks I don't think any particular match hurt so much as that particular day .
I have always had a soft spot for Charlie George and Arsenal after watching watching them turn over the RS in the final as I watched them with my dad at a friend of his house who was a red with a bunch of them in his house , I was wearing an Arsenal scarf and rosette and my dad slaughtered them when Charlie George scored he had his kecks round by his ankles and a big hairy arse was in front of the TV .
It was in the early days of colour TV but we were never invited again to see his Colour TV why they invited my arl fella I will never know as the day was there worst nightmare.

Well between Charlie George and Mickey Thomas in 1989, we have a lot to be thankful to Arsenal for! There was this thing, about them never losing when Ian Rush scored as well, until Arsenal sorted them out in that 1987 league Cup final. I've always seen Arsenal as a very classy club tbh.

 

[paultheblue]

1989 was another wonderful night down the pub a couple of miles from Anfield .it was party time for them before the game the title was already won or was it?

 

[bring back the catt]

Ha ha ha i heard stories about the players, being afraid to tackle Morrisey in training!lol A hard man no doubt, who probably would even have put Roy Keane in his place! With regards to that 1970 squad, you had Belfasts Tommy Jackson as well.

He would come in and do a job whenever any of the Holy Trinity weren't available. I think the trauma of getting robbed against that Greek crowd in europe, and losing to the rs in that cup semi final, sadly crushed the spirit of that team.

At a function many years ago and Jack Charlton was the guest speaker, which at the time filled me with horror.
However, Big jack was a very accomplished narrator and kept us all in our seats and received quite thunderous applause after his address.
The highlight of his memories, he recalled, after being questioned about his infamous 'black book'. Did it exist? Indeed it did came the reply from Jack and related to one incident regarding our very own Johnny Morrisey.
Jack, a tough boy in his own right, was bringing the ball out of defence when he felt his world come to a complete and painful full stop. He looked up, and standing over him was Mogsy who calmly said, "Put that in your f*****g little black book". Upon which, Johnny accepted his booking and carried on with the game.
Johnny was a fast and fearless winger with much trickery and did NOT take any crap from anyone.

 

[roy vernon]

At a function many years ago and Jack Charlton was the guest speaker, which at the time filled me with horror.
However, Big jack was a very accomplished narrator and kept us all in our seats and received quite thunderous applause after his address.
The highlight of his memories, he recalled, after being questioned about his infamous 'black book'. Did it exist? Indeed it did came the reply from Jack and related to one incident regarding our very own Johnny Morrisey.
Jack, a tough boy in his own right, was bringing the ball out of defence when he felt his world come to a complete and painful full stop. He looked up, and standing over him was Mogsy who calmly said, "Put that in your f*****g little black book". Upon which, Johnny accepted his booking and carried on with the game.
Johnny was a fast and fearless winger with much trickery and did NOT take any crap from anyone.

I read in a biography on Charlton that there were only 2 names in his black book, Moggsy and Ian Hutchinson of Chelsea.