Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

[DrEFC]

JJK
Holgate
Keane
Davies
Delph
Gomes
Iwobi
Rondon
Tosun

Name a prem club for whom each of the above would walk into the first team. Or even compete for a place in the first team.

Now consider that Mina and Gbamin can't stay fit.

Now consider Sigurdsson.

We have a paper-thin squad in terms of quality. However we have twenty-four senior outfield players on the books, a wage bill that would make Daddy Warbucks wince, and somehow we cannot put out a first eleven with a decent player in each position.

There are only two windows per season where clubs can buy or sell players, and we're in one of them now. We need to fill some massive holes in our first eleven and we MUST sell some players to make room on the payroll (and to finance the purchases from a sustainability point of view)... yet some people want to stick with the squad we have, fire the manager and hope that whoever we bring in can magically fix it all despite the fact Carlo Ancelotti struggled.

Absolutely bananas.

Carlo had us in European positions most of the year. Even with the dross, we should be doing far, far better.

 

[Tree13]

The form is the worst in my life

6 points from 36 is diabolical

Its not unreasonable to think lots could do better. This team are poor but midtable poor. Absolutely not a relegation squad.

This is a nonsense argument.

A largely identical squad finished mid table last season, under a far better manager (Ancelotti). Do we agree?

Another manager, better than Ancelotti, is not going to come to us in our current situation. Agreed?

Another manager, nearly as good as Ancelotti, is not going to come to us at the moment. Agreed?

A lesser manager, be it Benitez or someone else, isn't going to get as much out of this squad as Ancelotti, or an Ancelotti-level equivalent would. Agreed?

But you don't want to change any players, EVEN during a transfer window???

Name me a realistic candidate to join us as Benitez' replacement in the next three weeks (presume you want a new manager to make their own mind up about bringing in new players?) who is going to get these players back to the dizzy heights of mid-table that they achieved under Ancelotti. Please.

 

[Tree13]

Carlo had us in European positions most of the year. Even with the dross, we should be doing far, far better.

And we all agreed at the end of last season that Carlo needed to be allowed to bring in some new players, because too many of the squad had failed to perform.

How are the same players now suddenly good enough?

 

[ZissouBlue]

Are we really debating whether another manager could do better? Of course they could, FFS. Benitez has been handed an awful draw between the injuries and lack of transfer funds. But he should absolutely be getting more out of this team. Both can be true. We are nearly at rock bottom. We would be in greater danger if the bottom four weren't so godawful this season. Someone else might not do better. That's true. We just don't know. But if are you in favor of continuing with this manager because he hasn't been given a chance? After what we have been witnessing over the last few months? I don't know what else to say.

But anyway, since this isn't the Benitez thread - I am really pleased to see two new signings coming in help the defense and hopefully the balance of the team. Will be a breath of fresh air to see how they kick on.

 

[ToffeeTim]

This is a nonsense argument.

A largely identical squad finished mid table last season, under a far better manager (Ancelotti). Do we agree?

Another manager, better than Ancelotti, is not going to come to us in our current situation. Agreed?

Another manager, nearly as good as Ancelotti, is not going to come to us at the moment. Agreed?

A lesser manager, be it Benitez or someone else, isn't going to get as much out of this squad as Ancelotti, or an Ancelotti-level equivalent would. Agreed?

But you don't want to change any players, EVEN during a transfer window???

Name me a realistic candidate to join us as Benitez' replacement in the next three weeks (presume you want a new manager to make their own mind up about bringing in new players?) who is going to get these players back to the dizzy heights of mid-table that they achieved under Ancelotti. Please.

I agree Ancelotti is much better. No arguments there.

But I dont agree going from 59 points to a relegation scrap is acceptable. Thats an enormous drop off. The idea there are not better options out there than a kopite far past his best, who went off to retire in China, is a ludicrous opinion. It has zero substance whatsoever.

I see Benitez as a relic of the past. I see no positives whatsoever and not the slightest possibility he turns this around. The football is horrendous and the results are diabolical

We need to find the next top young manager before they are established and let them prove themselves. We have no other choice.

I want Lampard. Not many agree. I originally wanted Arteta when Silva went.

Otherwise I'm looking to Germany for a new manager. Streich at Freiburg a good option.

No other club in this league would a manager in this scenario. Not even Norwich as shown.

 

[DrEFC]

This is a nonsense argument.

A largely identical squad finished mid table last season, under a far better manager (Ancelotti). Do we agree?

Another manager, better than Ancelotti, is not going to come to us in our current situation. Agreed?

Another manager, nearly as good as Ancelotti, is not going to come to us at the moment. Agreed?

A lesser manager, be it Benitez or someone else, isn't going to get as much out of this squad as Ancelotti, or an Ancelotti-level equivalent would. Agreed?

But you don't want to change any players, EVEN during a transfer window???

Name me a realistic candidate to join us as Benitez' replacement in the next three weeks (presume you want a new manager to make their own mind up about bringing in new players?) who is going to get these players back to the dizzy heights of mid-table that they achieved under Ancelotti. Please.

Ancelotti dialed it in as a manager here, leaving his kid in charge, and got more out the squad, so yes, any manager could improve on Benny. Someone without the pure arrogance and pride would of placed Digne in the team from the start or the bench, or changed the midfield earlier. This continued terrible form is down to fat fingers. If there's a scorched earth plan where we won't see tangible improvements till next year- so be it- say it, don't mouth to the press that you'll be top 8 otherwise it's disappointing.

 

[DrEFC]

I agree Ancelotti is much better. No arguments there.

But I dont agree going from 59 points to a relegation scrap is acceptable. Thats an enormous drop off. The idea there are not better options out there than a kopite far past his best, who went off to retire in China, is a ludicrous opinion. It has zero substance whatsoever.

I see Benitez as a relic of the past. I see no positives whatsoever and not the slightest possibility he turns this around. The football is horrendous and the results are diabolical

We need to find the next top young manager before they are established and let them prove themselves. We have no other choice.

I want Lampard. Not many agree. I originally wanted Arteta when Silva went.

Otherwise I'm looking to Germany for a new manager. Streich at Freiburg a good option.

No other club in this league would a manager in this scenario. Not even Norwich as shown.

?

 

[DrEFC]

And we all agreed at the end of last season that Carlo needed to be allowed to bring in some new players, because too many of the squad had failed to perform.

How are the same players now suddenly good enough?

Missing out on Europe doesn't equal fighting relegation. I just don't see how this isn't getting through.

 

[Thomasc]

I agree Ancelotti is much better. No arguments there.

But I dont agree going from 59 points to a relegation scrap is acceptable. Thats an enormous drop off. The idea there are not better options out there than a kopite far past his best, who went off to retire in China, is a ludicrous opinion. It has zero substance whatsoever.

I see Benitez as a relic of the past. I see no positives whatsoever and not the slightest possibility he turns this around. The football is horrendous and the results are diabolical

We need to find the next top young manager before they are established and let them prove themselves. We have no other choice.

I want Lampard. Not many agree. I originally wanted Arteta when Silva went.

Otherwise I'm looking to Germany for a new manager. Streich at Freiburg a good option.

People only don’t want Lampard because they think he failed at Chelsea.

He got Derby to a play off in his first season, Chelsea a CL place in his first season there (despite a transfer ban) and then signed the players that went on to win them the CL.

Meanwhile, we are scraping the barrel with Senor Testicle and his 20 year tactics and wonderful man management skills.

 

[billyblue80]

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You are overestimating this squad, mark my word no manager could succeed unless you get rid of half of them atleast.
It's kind of the like there is a general careless central psychology that has developed amongst majority of players, they just don't care , look at them they hardly react to goals when we conceed or hardly celebrate when we score...they just want to get rid of any responsibility, and hence they end up pointing fingers at each other , try to blame each other for mistakes.
This central toxic psychology is very difficult to break unless you replace core of the team.... That's where a stick comes handy , two of them at the core are gone 5-6 more to go, and we might put probably see a new mentality (just like what Gordon is displaying ) developing. And Benitez is probably the best to break this vicious cycle, he is ruthless.

Look I don't disagree with much of that they are mentally weak. But it's still not relegation fodder. The telling stat is how they perform in second halves when his tactics have been dispensed with and they just go for it. We have scored 75% of our goals in second halves often from losing positions. I think we should be mid to lower mid table not plummeting toward the bottom three that isn't over estimating it's recognising how much difference a good coach can make.

Sorry, that's a long post but it doesn't answer the question.

You said you could name a dozen managers who could come in and do a better job than Benitez. I asked you to name them.

I presume you didn't mean the likes of Tuchel, Klopp, Guardiola and Conte, who obviously won't be leaving their current clubs to join us. Equally I doubt you meant Ancelotti, who chose not to be here.

Give me some names of managers you would bring in to replace Benitez now.

I purposely said take the top four and maybe six managers out of it as they aren't realistic right now. Then look at more realistic ones like Potter, Rangnick, Rodgers, Lage, Frank then look to Germany and France and you have the likes of Marsh, Farve, and Galtier from last summer. Fonsceca is still unemployed. You can't guarantee but you look at our squad and the quality in it and we should be around mid table lower-mid at worst just by organisation and modern tactics. Not plummetting into a relegation battle.

 

[ToffeeTim]

People only don’t want Lampard because they think he failed at Chelsea.

He got Derby to a play off in his first season, Chelsea a CL place in his first season there (despite a transfer ban) and then signed the players that went on to win them the CL.

Meanwhile, we are scraping the barrel with Senor Testicle and his 20 year tactics and wonderful man management skills.

I've had this debate a lot of times. People compare him to Tuchel even though he's a top 5 in the world coach. Its a pretty ridiculous comparison if you ask me. What elite coach is coming here?

I also don't see last year as real football behind doors. I think he's a great option and exactly what's needed here.

 

[Thomasc]

I've had this debate a lot of times. People compare him to Tuchel even though he's a top 5 in the world coach. Its a pretty ridiculous comparison if you ask me. What elite coach is coming here?

I also don't see last year as real football behind doors. I think he's a great option and exactly what's needed here.

I wouldn’t be against Lampard at all. Young, progressive and a proven winner on the pitch who commands respect from modern football players.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I wouldn’t be against Lampard at all. Young, progressive and a proven winner on the pitch who commands respect from modern football players.

And he did a good job in his 2 previous roles. He wasnt exceptional but I think that's the next step for him.

 

[Tree13]

Are we really debating whether another manager could do better? Of course they could, FFS. Benitez has been handed an awful draw between the injuries and lack of transfer funds. But he should absolutely be getting more out of this team. Both can be true. We are nearly at rock bottom. We would be in greater danger if the bottom four weren't so godawful this season. Someone else might not do better. That's true. We just don't know. But if are you in favor of continuing with this manager because he hasn't been given a chance? After what we have been witnessing over the last few months? I don't know what else to say.

But anyway, since this isn't the Benitez thread - I am really pleased to see two new signings coming in help the defense and hopefully the balance of the team. Will be a breath of fresh air to see how they kick on.

I'm not against Benitez getting the boot. Not at all. But his replacement needs to come in almost immediately.

Why?

Because the transfer window is currently open, we have about a dozen players we virtually all agree are pony and need to be shown the door, and we desperately need a starting central DM and a starting CB.

What I'm saying is get those players in ASAP, and get rid of some dross ASAP.

If a new manager candidate can be identified and brought in BEFORE the end of the transfer window then sure, go ahead. But don't bring a new guy in and tell him he can't buy or sell anyone because unless he's Carlo Ancelotti you aren't going to see much improvement.

the last few posts have seen people suggesting Frank Lampard, FFS. How does Lampard get Keane and Holgate playing better? Or Davies? Gomes? Delph? Come on.

 

[Tree13]

I agree Ancelotti is much better. No arguments there.

But I dont agree going from 59 points to a relegation scrap is acceptable. Thats an enormous drop off. The idea there are not better options out there than a kopite far past his best, who went off to retire in China, is a ludicrous opinion. It has zero substance whatsoever.

I see Benitez as a relic of the past. I see no positives whatsoever and not the slightest possibility he turns this around. The football is horrendous and the results are diabolical

We need to find the next top young manager before they are established and let them prove themselves. We have no other choice.

I want Lampard. Not many agree. I originally wanted Arteta when Silva went.

Otherwise I'm looking to Germany for a new manager. Streich at Freiburg a good option.

No other club in this league would a manager in this scenario. Not even Norwich as shown.

1) I never said it was acceptable.

2) I never said there wasn't. I asked for names.

Lampard? Nope. Sorry, I don't see anything to suggest he can do anything in the Prem.

Arteta... I'd take the gamble on him. But he's not leaving Arsenal to join us, is he.

I don't watch German football, so I'll take your word on Streich.