Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

[Simon Buttle]

I'd agree with you mate, but I think it's untrue City do more of their recruitment from outside of the top 5 league. Most of their players are top 5 league players.

I'm also not sure Thelwell can really be attacked with the work he's done.

I never said they did they do all of their recruitment outside of the top 5 leagues, in fact they do it from everywhere. I was merely making the point in reference to us not being so scared as to looking a bit further afield in future for signings. We are looking at a completely different player to Man City mate.

As for Thelwell, sorry I can't agree there, his work has been largely poor imo. When he has had money it's been wasted and he had repeatedly ignored certain key positions (FB) window after window, also some strange loans like the Vinagre and now Lindstrom. Kevin Thelwell is not a DoF, he is a cost cutting administrator (not saying we didn't need one) but it's the job he did at NY Red Bulls and a similar role at Wolves (Mendes in charge of transfers)

 

[Neiler]

I just said the same. City buy most of their players from top 5 leagues, indeed lots from the premiership.

I don't see many teams recruiting from outside of the top 5 leagues. Brighton are the main, and perhaps sole exception and to date have been ran very well. Early on they flirted with relegation and at time's fortuitiously avoided it. I'm not sure we would really want to willingly take that risk. It's also worth saying, Brighton also bring in lots of older English players with experience, the sorts people seem to be countenancing us not signing.

The other sides who tend to do it, seem to get relegated. Leicester, Southampton, Leeds, Burnley, Ipswich this season, Norwich etc. I wrote a piece a couple of years back, essentially saying that Leeds, Leicester and Southampton all did what football hipsters say you should do. Sell your best players, buy cheaper unknown players, got young European coaches etc and all of them went from a bae of stability to relegation.

I watched Ipswich on Saturday, who I'm told spent 100m+ on players, and watched them get ran all over in midfield by Doucoure/Gana. There's lots not to like about Dyche, but one thing I do like is he seems to understand that you need people who are battle hardened to survive in the PL.

Interesting some of the players City have also let go, in terms or recruitment, who have gone on, particularly the last one.

A brilliant XI of academy graduates sold by Man City: Palmer, Frimpong, Olise...

Man City have been blessed with world-class players ever since their takeover, which has led some academy graduates to seek pastures new in search of first-team football.

www.teamtalk.com

 

[Jimishorts]

Seen some click bait links mentioning Samuel Chukwueze of AC Milan as a possible January transfer target.

More than just click bait pal.

 

[catcherintherye]

I never said they did they do all of their recruitment outside of the top 5 leagues, in fact they do it from everywhere. I was merely making the point in reference to us not being so scared as to looking a bit further afield in future for signings. We are looking at a completely different player to Man City mate.

As for Thelwell, sorry I can't agree there, his work has been largely poor imo. When he has had money it's been wasted and he had repeatedly ignored certain key positions (FB) window after window, also some strange loans like the Vinagre and now Lindstrom. Kevin Thelwell is not a DoF, he is a cost cutting administrator (not saying we didn't need one) but it's the job he did at NY Red Bulls and a similar role at Wolves (Mendes in charge of transfers)

No I get that mate, but most of their signings are from the best leagues.

The issue for me with Thelwell mate, he came into a club in complete meltdown having just survived. He has had a negative net spend, while the rest of the league spent heavily and he has kept us broadly competitive, arguably slightly better. I think he's done ok.

 

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[bluestevon]

The idea that we can just completely remodel the squad with a dozen new players and it'll only cost us approximately £5.2 million is a new one on me, I must admit.

Ndiaye cost about 15m, Garner 8m, Lindstrom would cost around 18m, Tim about 9m, thsts around 50m on 4 players.

Looking over the price of certain players linked with us during the summer, you had Bove available for around 10-12m, Ebimbe for around 15m.

So at that level of player you're talking around say 13m a pop.

Possible to bring in around 7-8 players for a total outlay of around 100m - which is what the net spend was and numbers of players at Roma first season.

Throw in a free and a few moans and could very easily see 10-12 new players without going silly on money spent.

If we sold Branthwaite then that 100m could morph into 150-170m - wouldn't effect the numbers but would give the possibility of seeing the average price for more towards 20m or stay the same with a few bring more like the 30m mark spent.

Requires damned good scouting and the likelihood of 12 players working out is minimal - be looking to hopefully have 6-7 of them work out well.

Key is recruiting with potential or grabbing bargains like Ndiaye.

I do think we'll see a big influx though just not the same as I see Moshiri where we paid premium fees for 26+ yo junk.

 

[bluestevon]

Sorry but that is a ridiculous amount and would show incredibly poor value and poor recruitment. We don't need to spend that sort of money imo.

What on earth do you think we need to spend that amount on Zat?

My top end estimate is they'll follow the Roma model, around 100m net first season, then evaluate, second season at Roma they gained money net by sakes, could see similar here by keeping Jarrod next season and selling the following.

We won't be doing several seasons of big net spends I'm pretty sure though.

 

[Vintage]

We need to walk away from Harrison mate, his own club are in the Championship and they don't want him, let's just get a proper right sided version of Ndiaye, we can't keep loaning a player every season and he certainly isn't someone we should pay money for.

With a big rebuild come the summer I think Harrison would be alright on a loan for next season as a squad player if Leeds don't get promoted but agree that a proper right winger is needed

 

[Vintage]

When does this psr crap start and finish in cycles. Spent eff all last few seasons and still have our hands tied

 

[BlueInNZ]

When does this psr crap start and finish in cycles. Spent eff all last few seasons and still have our hands tied

I'm not reading too much into that. Let's say there is a plan, and PSR ability, to splash 100milion in the window it would be incredibly naive to broadcast this to potential sellers. Better to negotiate from a position of perceived poverty.

That said I don't think we'll spend much anyway as it's not a good time of year to do so. Keep our powder dry until the Summer transfer window.

 

[bluestevon]

Michael Keane, Gueye and Doucoure 'may' be offered new contracts, but they'll be on sub 50% of the current terms if they are, as a club we have specifically looked at trimming wages down hugely, the likes of McNeil and garner are both on sub 40k per week, Ndiaye on around 40-45, right now Doucoure is on 120k, Gueye on around 85k, Keane is on 80k.

None of them are worth close to that in terms of comparison to other newly added players wages in the team.

It'll be a case of if they really want to stay then they'll take the much reduced wages, if not they'll move on, my prediction is all three will leave.

 

[Neiler]

Really like the look of Buonanotte at Leicester on loan from Brighton, looks a real emerging talent with miles of headroom.

Wed hardly get him though...........................

 

[Aries]

He might have been a few years back but he isn't anymore mate otherwise they would have tried everything to keep him and they didn't stand in his way whatsoever. He is just a very average run of the mill player, he might get ahead of Gnonto (I'm not a fan) but Ramazani is a far better player than Harrison

They couldn’t “stand in his way”, they were completely powerless to do anything about it. Harrison had a relegation clause written in to his Leeds contract that he could leave on a free loan in the event they were relegated. Harrison didn’t want to play championship football. It’s as simple as that. Nothing whatsoever to do with Leeds “not wanting him” as you’re falsely claiming.

 

[Simon Buttle]

They couldn’t “stand in his way”, they were completely powerless to do anything about it. Harrison had a relegation clause written in to his Leeds contract that he could leave on a free loan in the event they were relegated. Harrison didn’t want to play championship football. It’s as simple as that. Nothing whatsoever to do with Leeds “not wanting him” as you’re falsely claiming.

I know he has a clause in his contract but I also am aware that they really were not that bothered about losing him either.

 

[Lanolin]

Ndiaye cost about 15m, Garner 8m, Lindstrom would cost around 18m, Tim about 9m, thsts around 50m on 4 players.

Looking over the price of certain players linked with us during the summer, you had Bove available for around 10-12m, Ebimbe for around 15m.

So at that level of player you're talking around say 13m a pop.

Possible to bring in around 7-8 players for a total outlay of around 100m - which is what the net spend was and numbers of players at Roma first season.

Throw in a free and a few moans and could very easily see 10-12 new players without going silly on money spent.

If we sold Branthwaite then that 100m could morph into 150-170m - wouldn't effect the numbers but would give the possibility of seeing the average price for more towards 20m or stay the same with a few bring more like the 30m mark spent.

Requires damned good scouting and the likelihood of 12 players working out is minimal - be looking to hopefully have 6-7 of them work out well.

Key is recruiting with potential or grabbing bargains like Ndiaye.

I do think we'll see a big influx though just not the same as I see Moshiri where we paid premium fees for 26+ yo junk.

That pretty much confirms what I was saying, if you think of £15m as a baseline then you're very much into the realm of spending hundreds of millions if you're trying to buy a dozen players. I don't know what we'll do, I'm just saying if we don't renew any of the contracts that run out etc it is likely to mean we have to spend £150m+ on new players just to have a functional squad. I have no idea how likely or possible that is, I just think it's what would need to happen in that scenario.