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Everton reopen talks with Sam Allardyce

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chazzle_dazzle said:
So in world football there is no-one who could achieve the same feat??

Or is it down to the fact that we are so obsessed with the hyperbole of the premier league we are too scared to look at managers with zero prem experience.

IMHO, I think its down to the board being cowards personally.
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So you'd gamble hundreds of millions of pounds, and a new stadium, by appointing a manager from Italy, Spain, France etc?

Or would you put money on someone who's done it before in the league you're in?
 
DualityNSNO said:
To let it be known to the guy in charge, who proceeds to stink out the place for either a month too long or, in Martinez' case, a year too long? It's basically nothing.

How come when there's discord like this at any other club literally EVERYONE knows it, but for us it's basically a pat on the head when the news reaches Sky, a month later than it should? Is it because other clubs fans actually show these things instead of being told to pipe down by their own? "Uh, but it's a kopite thing to do to protest/show banners lad, just sit down and pipe down and silently complain every so often like the rest of us.".

This whole mindset is spread throughout the club at all levels, for some reason, and it's so annoying.
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Fat Sam will be gone after everyone is bored of the boring football and then we as a club have to pick up the peices of the train wreck that he is and brings.
 
Tubey said:
Why is that the prerequisite for a manager???

Jose Mourinho at Chelsea took 11 points from their first 12 games and lost his job after losing 9 of 16 games total in mid-December - did Chelsea at that point go "right, time for Pulis or Allardyce, we're in a right scrap here"?

Peoples heads have fallen off. We don't need a "relegation specialist" because all you do is put a plaster on the situation and start a downward spiral, because you establish yourself as a club who needs that kind of manager rather than one that has forward ambition.
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Because theyre Chelsea with world class players.

We're a team with a 20 year old target man.

Our squad is awful. Chelsea's weren't/isn't.

So name another manager you'd feel comfortable with with our situation?
 
Tubey said:
Why is that the prerequisite for a manager???

Jose Mourinho at Chelsea took 11 points from their first 12 games and lost his job after losing 9 of 16 games total in mid-December - did Chelsea at that point go "right, time for Pulis or Allardyce, we're in a right scrap here"?

Peoples heads have fallen off. We don't need a "relegation specialist" because all you do is put a plaster on the situation and start a downward spiral, because you establish yourself as a club who needs that kind of manager rather than one that has forward ambition.
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Hahahahaha. That was Chelsea, league champions with Hazard, Courtois, Fabregas, Pedro, Costa, Azpilicueta. We are Everton with Philip Jagielka, Williams, Lennon and Mirallas.
 
kenada_blue said:
So you'd gamble hundreds of millions of pounds, and a new stadium, by appointing a manager from Italy, Spain, France etc?

Or would you put money on someone who's done it before in the league you're in?
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So you're saying to me that Sam Allardyce is NOT a gamble? REALLY??

why are you saying that? What makes you think he is less of a gamble then someone who has more experience of winning then Sam has.

Have you looked into his record? like really looked into it? Lost more games then he has won, conceded more then scored, his run in his first 11 games is probably the worst you'd ever see from ANY new manager at any new club...

ANY manager we appointed was a risk - don't be fooled into thinking "great escape Sam" is anything besides that.

I am not suggesting that we will be better off, but the unknown sometimes is better then the devil you know.
 

Tubey said:
OK great - all that is true.

But why is Sam Allardyce - a proven crook who has had six jobs in ten years and has lost more games than he's won over that time - the only solution to that suddenly?
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I don’t get it either I really don’t. His record is actually really poor! So he’s done just about enough to scrape a few teams safe so what? He lost 5 of his first 7 games for Palace and then lost 5 of his last 8 at the end of the season. Bagged a few wins in between to keep them up. His record is poor!
 
kenada_blue said:
Because theyre Chelsea with world class players.

We're a team with a 20 year old target man.

Our squad is awful. Chelsea's weren't/isn't.
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Nonsense! We finished 7th by 15 points last season while being generally crap and coasting half the season with largely the same squad minus one player in Lukaku - to suggest we suddenly have an "awful" squad when it's by and large the exact same squad is over the top BS!

It's the same situation - Chelsea didn't even entertain the thought of a Pulis or Allardyce because the mindset is totally, utterly different to ours - when our mindset should actually be similar. Aim high, never aim low.
 
chazzle_dazzle said:
So you're saying to me that Sam Allardyce is NOT a gamble? REALLY??

why are you saying that? What makes you think he is less of a gamble then someone who has more experience of winning then Sam has.

Have you looked into his record? like really looked into it? Lost more games then he has won, conceded more then scored, his run in his first 11 games is probably the worst you'd ever see from ANY new manager at any new club...

ANY manager we appointed was a risk - don't be fooled into thinking "great escape Sam" is anything besides that.

I am not suggesting that we will be better off, but the unknown sometimes is better then the devil you know.
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It's why it's called a "gamble".

You look at the risks and put your money on who you think would do the job.

Either throw it all on the unknown, or someone who's been there before.
 

kenada_blue said:
It's why it's called a "gamble".

You look at the risks and put your money on who you think would do the job.

Either throw it all on the unknown, or someone who's been there before.
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So you're telling me that he is a gamble then....

He has every bit of risk attached to him as any other manager we would get....

Just because you have been there before, doesn't mean its going to be the same over and over.
 
If BFS comes in be sure that he will completely disregard the one thing that has been a positive for these past 2-3 years, the kids coming through. We'll have another batch of 32-35 year old who are 'proven'. Regardless of the manager coming in, the january window is more important for the upcoming 2-3 seasons. I'd rather have almost anyone other than Allardyce in charge of a window where he would like look to sign stop gaps for 1-2 seasons.

We will have to pay over the odds for at least two defenders, one of which will have to be a natural leader who can pull the defense together on the pitch. And of course a first choice striker would be decent.
 
Tubey said:
Nonsense! We finished 7th by 15 points last season while being generally crap and coasting half the season with largely the same squad minus one player in Lukaku - to suggest we suddenly have an "awful" squad when it's by and large the exact same squad is over the top BS!

It's the same situation - Chelsea didn't even entertain the thought of a Pulis or Allardyce because the mindset is totally, utterly different to ours - when our mindset should actually be similar. Aim high, never aim low.
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Barkley and Lukaku.

And if you looked at the 5 teams around us, you'll be hard pressed to say we have better players man for man.

And it's not the same situation ffs. Your situation is different when you have Hazard, Costa, William, Fabregas etc compared to Calvert Lewin, Klassen, Williams etc
 

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