Everton reopen talks with Sam Allardyce

[MikeH72]

Utterly deluded fanbase. Actually beyond comical at this point.

 

[kenada_blue]

So you're telling me that he is a gamble then....

He has every bit of risk attached to him as any other manager we would get....

Just because you have been there before, doesn't mean its going to be the same over and over.

If I've a horse that's won the national twice, it's not crazy to put money on it winning again.

 

[MikeH72]

WEAR EBERTON LADS NIL SATUS NISI OPTIMUM WEAR SPESHUL

Geordies.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

If I've a horse that's won the national twice, it's not crazy to put money on it winning again.

And the odds of that horse doing it a third time??

Again, just because its won it twice, doesn't mean its bang on to do it again.

 

[Baines' left foot]

I don't know that anybody is saying we arem't doing that badly. We are a complete mess.

Lets face it the opinion of all fans to this horrible possibility is influenced greatly by whether or not you think we are in a relegation battle.

I don't think we are. 13 games in. 3 teams worse off than us. Another few within 2 points of us. And this is whilst we are without a manager and looking worse than we have in I dunno how long. How bad must those other teams be?!

I don't think this needs the ill-advised panic appointment of that corrupt arrogant oaf.

I disagree. We possibly could have had someone better in if we’d acted sooner but we dithered and now we’re in an absolute mess.

We're not in a relegation battle because it's November mate, haven't you heard. Relegation battles arbitrarily start in February.

1 win and we’d be 12th mate providing all the other teams lose !!!

 

[Tubey]

Barkley and Lukaku.

And if you looked at the 5 teams around us, you'll be hard pressed to say we have better players man for man.

And it's not the same situation ffs. Your situation is different when you have Hazard, Costa, William, Fabregas etc compared to Calvert Lewin, Klassen, Williams etc

Sorry, absolute nonsense. Those players "man for man" finished 20+ points clear of those sides around us only a few months ago. Sigurdsson was Swansea's best player by a mile and he's not even one of our top five; Williams was probably their best ever defender and he's a pile of cack. Pickford is a better goalkeeper than the lot of them in my view, Keane was linked with United in July, Mirallas is gash yet would walk into the West Ham side now and be hailed as Messi incarnate.

I'll say it again - peoples heads have well and truly fallen off here. Like Chelsea, those world class players didn't suddenly all turn into Carlton Cole overnight that season; it was a form issue. We have the exact same problem - a complete lack of form, confidence and balance that doesn't need a 'relegation specialist', whatever that means, to rectify.

Rather than combat relegation, we should be still aiming to finish in the top six. And no, that isn't delusion - that should be the 'aim' with an appointment; finish high, not scramble for 17th.

 

[yakublue]

Nonsense! We finished 7th by 15 points last season while being generally crap and coasting half the season with largely the same squad minus one player in Lukaku - to suggest we suddenly have an "awful" squad when it's by and large the exact same squad is over the top BS!

It's the same situation - Chelsea didn't even entertain the thought of a Pulis or Allardyce because the mindset is totally, utterly different to ours - when our mindset should actually be similar. Aim high, never aim low.

They had a number of the players who are among the best in the world in their positions (Courtois, Matic, Hazard, Costa, Fabregas) as well as a lot of other very good players, and a heap of money to spend. We're in a very different spot. Take a look at our squad and compare it to ours and realise what utter dross you're talking.

 

[kenada_blue]

Hahahahahaha. 'Give me an example'. 'Not that one'.

Erm...really?

 

[Connor]

Genuinely can’t be arsed with this Crook taking charge.

Rather have Dyche.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Why is that the prerequisite for a manager???

Jose Mourinho at Chelsea took 11 points from their first 12 games and lost his job after losing 9 of 16 games total in mid-December - did Chelsea at that point go "right, time for Pulis or Allardyce, we're in a right scrap here"?

Peoples heads have fallen off. We don't need a "relegation specialist" because all you do is put a plaster on the situation and start a downward spiral, because you establish yourself as a club who needs that kind of manager rather than one that has forward ambition.

You can’t seriously liken our current position to Chelsea’s when they sacked Mourinho. They’re completely different scenarios.

 

[Tubey]

They had a number of the players who are among the best in the world in their positions (Courtois, Matic, Hazard, Costa, Fabregas) as well as a lot of other very good players, and a heap of money to spend. We're in a very different spot. Take a look at our squad and compare it to ours and realise what utter dross you're talking.

No, sorry, that Chelsea side could barely buy a win and looked like League Two fodder under Mourinho. Let's not rewrite history - they were dreadful; every bit as bad as us now. They didn't morph into bad players; they were in bad form, lacked confidence and arguably downed tools.

It's the same situation, only with an elevated class of player. Our squad still have vastly more class than those clubs around us right now, so it's the exact same situation. Chelsea didn't go out for Pulis to 'fight relegation'; they went for a good manager with ambition and aimed high.

 

[Eggs]

So if the board know this and know there will be revolt when it's to boring to watch they shoudnt be doing it. Panic if it ever were anything.

...I think in the short-term everybody will be happy with lots of boring 1-0 wins. I agree about longer-term but we desperately need points, regardless of how they are won.

 

[kenada_blue]

Sorry, absolute nonsense. Those players "man for man" finished 20+ points clear of those sides around us only a few months ago. Sigurdsson was Swansea's best player by a mile and he's not even one of our top five; Williams was probably their best ever defender and he's a pile of cack. Pickford is a better goalkeeper than the lot of them in my view, Keane was linked with United in July, Mirallas is gash yet would walk into the West Ham side now and be hailed as Messi incarnate.

I'll say it again - peoples heads have well and truly fallen off here. Like Chelsea, those world class players didn't suddenly all turn into Carlton Cole overnight that season; it was a form issue. We have the exact same problem - a complete lack of form, confidence and balance that doesn't need a 'relegation specialist', whatever that means, to rectify.

Rather than combat relegation, we should be
still aiming to finish in the top six. And no, that isn't delusion - that should be the 'aim' with an appointment; finish high, not scramble for 17th.

Again, that's where we're coming from different opinions.

I think we're well and truly atrocious and the club seem to think so too.

You don't and think Tuchel would come in and get us back into Europe this season.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Aries]

Hahahahaha. That was Chelsea, league champions with Hazard, Courtois, Fabregas, Pedro, Costa, Azpilicueta. We are Everton with Philip Jagielka, Williams, Lennon and Mirallas.

But those are still international players. Are you telling me our squad on paper is one of the 3 worst squads in the league? Because I’m not having that at all because it blatantly isn’t.

Something has undeniably gone badly wrong this year and I’m not sure anyone knows why that is. You can point at a lack of replacement for Lukaku etc etc, but we apparently “won the transfer window” and invested heavily. Keane was sought after and was hugely impressive last season and won an England cap on the back of it.

He now looks like a pub player who has no clue. Why?

Williams was captain of Swansea and Wales and the Swansea supporters were distraught when they lost him. He looks like one of the worst centre halves in our history! Why?

You don’t go from being “dark horses for a top 4 place” to desperately clinging on to PL status in a matter of months. There is enough talent in the squad to be comfortable in mid table at the very least.

The fact is we aren’t. Something has gone horribly wrong and it needs sorting.

But nobody will convince me that Allardyce is the only option to get a tune out of this squad to get us safe. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Tubey]

You can’t seriously liken our current position to Chelsea’s when they sacked Mourinho. They’re completely different scenarios.

Club that finished high in the league previous season in a relegation scrap by November-December the following season despite having largely the same squad and same manager, sacking said manager after that period of form and looking for a new manager.

Yes, sounds totally different to me...