Everton reopen talks with Sam Allardyce

[Lanolin]

Puncheon and Townsend are far better wingers than Rooney or Gylfi, though

I'll give you that. See the last line...

 

[LiamG]

Yet basically the same squad last season finished 7th by 15 clear points, closer to 6th than 8th?

Can't you see how your view might be ever so slightly hyperbolic when you consider that?

We have a squad decimated by confidence issues and a complete lack of balance due to the spine of our attack in Barkley and Lukaku being ripped out - that doesn't mean the players individually have suddenly went from decent to awful in five months.

That's like saying Liverpool were practically the same squad after Sterling and Suarez left them.

We were a poor ageing squad with a world class striker and a top ACM. Now we're just a poor squad who are also a year older.

Half the team is different to last year. Lennon is probably our best winger. He wouldn't have made my bench last year.

 

[BlueToff]

This is my main worry, there is no fight in this club. We could have maximus decimus meridius commanding these blobfish and we would still concede at least 2 to Accrington Stanley.

It starts with organisation.

Literally walking the players through how to do the basics.

We genuinely need that at the moment.

Which is why I say I bet it's going to be 3-4 weeks before we see an upturn because that's how long I think it'll take to get this side into shape.

Look at Palace under Woy.

First few games, shocking.

But they found their feet because you could tell he was simply drilling them in training to set-up in a certain way and once they got some pace back when Zaha returned from injury (a bit like us with Bolasie, though I do think Zaha is better) then it started to come together.

I'm fuming with the club/board/Walsh/Moshiri/BK that it's taken so long mate.

This could and should have been resolved at the very latest after the Watford game. 5/6 weeks ago when Koeman went, we had options - Dyche would have jumped at the chance to manage us, and he'd have been a perfect fit I think.

Tuchel, similarly, was available and would have been the 'big name' manager Moshiri so desperately wants.

But we've dallied past the point of just 'taking our time'.

Regardless of the Watford win, three defeats in Unsy's first three games should have seen him back with the U23s as soon as that international break started.

Now, it'd be insane to expect Dyche or Tuchel to gamble their reputations on improving us. Same goes to Silva to an extent, which is why I don't get why we chased him so much. Yes, he's a good manager, but Watford didn't want to know and he clearly wasn't sure enough on the state of our squad that he'd hand in his resignation.

It's a shambles and we now look like it's either Big Sam, or taking a punt at Fonesca hoping he can replicate Silva's success in this league.

 

[LiamG]

Form my ass. Jags, Williams and Baines are effectively finished as competent premier league performers. Nobody is getting a tune out of Schneiderlain as he’s decided to wind down his career and enjoy his contract.
Keane looks like he’s just finished a tour of Vietnam, utterly shell shocked. He’s not improving any time soon.

Who knows what standard Coleman, Bolasie, Mori will return at.

We’ve played 25 games this season and been poor in them all. I don’t recall us winning a game in pre season.

This isn’t ‘form’. It’s a truly rotten squad.

And the manner of the defeats and the performances.

I thought it was a rotten squad in the summer. Still think the same.

 

[Tubey]

That's like saying Liverpool were practically the same squad after Sterling and Suarez left them.

We were a poor ageing squad with a world class striker and a top ACM. Now we're just a poor squad who are also a year older.

Half the team is different to last year. Lennon is probably our best winger. He wouldn't have made my bench last year.

That's right, because they were.

The squad is weaker; not utterly decimated and would barely grace the pitch in League 2 all of a sudden; the other players still existed and contributed.

 

[Blues Harp]

Because that's his job. You don't need to know how he does it but I suspect hours on the training ground drilling them.

All you need to see is his results and in the position we are in with the managers available who could do this job he's by far the best we can get.

I don't need to know???? Of course I do along with a load of other unhappy blues. How can he drill anything into the shower of incompetents we have ATM. So what you are saying is that he shouts a lot? And results....35% win rate? No thanks

 

[windymiller]

It starts with organisation.

Literally walking the players through how to do the basics.

We genuinely need that at the moment.

Which is why I say I bet it's going to be 3-4 weeks before we see an upturn because that's how long I think it'll take to get this side into shape.

Look at Palace under Woy.

First few games, shocking.

But they found their feet because you could tell he was simply drilling them in training to set-up in a certain way and once they got some pace back when Zaha returned from injury (a bit like us with Bolasie, though I do think Zaha is better) then it started to come together.

I'm fuming with the club/board/Walsh/Moshiri/BK that it's taken so long mate.

This could and should have been resolved at the very latest after the Watford game. 5/6 weeks ago when Koeman went, we had options - Dyche would have jumped at the chance to manage us, and he'd have been a perfect fit I think.

Tuchel, similarly, was available and would have been the 'big name' manager Moshiri so desperately wants.

But we've dallied past the point of just 'taking our time'.

Regardless of the Watford win, three defeats in Unsy's first three games should have seen him back with the U23s as soon as that international break started.

Now, it'd be insane to expect Dyche or Tuchel to gamble their reputations on improving us. Same goes to Silva to an extent, which is why I don't get why we chased him so much. Yes, he's a good manager, but Watford didn't want to know and he clearly wasn't sure enough on the state of our squad that he'd hand in his resignation.

It's a shambles and we now look like it's either Big Sam, or taking a punt at Fonesca hoping he can replicate Silva's success in this league.

I'm not even sure Fat boy will sign up. The board have made us the least attractive PL appointment since Sunderland. 6 weeks and we end up with Allardyce, boggles the mind. Mark my words this appointment leads to relegation, maybe not this season but within three. This is a spiral we have seen at numerous other clubs. Bring in an "old school" manager, watch your standing in the UK and abroad diminish, the first two factors combine to stuff the club with older, mercenary players on big wages who won't leave when the excrement hits the fan and who decline in talent and application over the length of their contracts all leading to a generation of mediocrity (most likely in the championship or, I shudder to think, lower). This is short termism in extremis.

 

[Brennan]

That's like saying Liverpool were practically the same squad after Sterling and Suarez left them.

We were a poor ageing squad with a world class striker and a top ACM. Now we're just a poor squad who are also a year older.

Half the team is different to last year. Lennon is probably our best winger. He wouldn't have made my bench last year.

Where did they finish after Suarez left ?

 

[LiamG]

It starts with organisation.

Literally walking the players through how to do the basics.

We genuinely need that at the moment.

Which is why I say I bet it's going to be 3-4 weeks before we see an upturn because that's how long I think it'll take to get this side into shape.

Look at Palace under Woy.

First few games, shocking.

But they found their feet because you could tell he was simply drilling them in training to set-up in a certain way and once they got some pace back when Zaha returned from injury (a bit like us with Bolasie, though I do think Zaha is better) then it started to come together.

I'm fuming with the club/board/Walsh/Moshiri/BK that it's taken so long mate.

This could and should have been resolved at the very latest after the Watford game. 5/6 weeks ago when Koeman went, we had options - Dyche would have jumped at the chance to manage us, and he'd have been a perfect fit I think.

Tuchel, similarly, was available and would have been the 'big name' manager Moshiri so desperately wants.

But we've dallied past the point of just 'taking our time'.

Regardless of the Watford win, three defeats in Unsy's first three games should have seen him back with the U23s as soon as that international break started.

Now, it'd be insane to expect Dyche or Tuchel to gamble their reputations on improving us. Same goes to Silva to an extent, which is why I don't get why we chased him so much. Yes, he's a good manager, but Watford didn't want to know and he clearly wasn't sure enough on the state of our squad that he'd hand in his resignation.

It's a shambles and we now look like it's either Big Sam, or taking a punt at Fonesca hoping he can replicate Silva's success in this league.

He can't hand in his resignation. This isn't a job in the bank.

He's contracted for two years and if he leaves he could get sued. Potentially for any and all loss earnings including what they would lose if they went down.

 

[LiamG]

Where did they finish after Suarez left ?

7th. They dropped 5 places.

If we drop 5 places that would put us in 12th however the gap in quality of each squad between 2nd and 7th is larger than the gap between 7th and 12th so we will drop further - how much further. That's why we need Big Sam because no one knows.

 

[MikeH72]

Where did they finish after Suarez left ?

That's because all their players lacked confidence for a whole season mate, nothing to do with him carrying them.

 

[Krs]

Don't see him being in charge by Huddersfield do yous? We don't take minimum 4 points by the weekend it's a relegation scrap with the next game against RS, our defence will fall to bits.

 

[BlueToff]

He can't hand in his resignation. This isn't a job in the bank.

He's contracted for two years and if he leaves he could get sued. Potentially for any and all loss earnings including what they would lose if they went down.

If he really wanted to come to us mate, he'd have found a way, no doubt about it.

I'm sure he'd rather be at Everton than Watford, but given the state we're in at the moment, people need to realise it isn't worth the gamble.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Don't see him being in charge by Huddersfield do yous? We don't take minimum 4 points by the weekend it's a relegation scrap with the next game against RS, our defence will fall to bits.

Salah will have a field day.

 

[LiamG]

That's because all their players lacked confidence for a whole season mate, nothing to do with him carrying them.

Are some people mad?

It's like saying Barca would be the same team without Messi and Neymar. That's the level of loss we had when we lost Lukaku and Barkley or Liverpool when they lost Suarez and Sterling.

People didn't want to accept it or simply wanted to keep believing Lukaku and Barkley are lazy and we might be better off without them. Well those people were as wrong as I was when I wanted Unsworth to be given more time. Utterly completely wrong.