Everton reopen talks with Sam Allardyce

[Abraders]

So if it's crooked let's add to it some more aye? Makes sense mate....

Well until the entire backroom staff and higher ups get culled, nothing will change.

I don't believe in Moshiri and I don't believe in the others Walsh etc, they all stink to me. But these aren't likely to be going away any time soon.

Above this there are 0 managers available right now that aren't on the same level of Allardyce anywho!

Clearly we all have split views on this, but I will gladly accept absolutely anybody who just keeps us up this season - this is what it has come to.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

And you honestly think any top international manager would come?

Why does it have to be a Top international manager? Silva isn't, we wanted him, Fonseca has nearly begged for a chance in England in an interview - I wouldn't exactly call him a top international manager.

Koeman was the 10th highest paid manager in the world, the entire world. I think it would be folly to presume that some managers from the continent wouldn't want an opportunity in the premier league on a percentage of what Koeman was on considering they could instantly be one of the top paid managers in Europe.

Thing is mate, and this is where everything falls down for me. Walsh's remit (even tho he is a scout) as DOF is to put a plan in place that if we sack a manager we have "profile" of who we go for next to fit in with the club. The board, Dof have failed miserably on this as its clear they dont know what they want, rumours of in house fighting and other [Poor language removed] going on proves that we haven't got a clue.

If we had a template of a manager in mind, how we want to play etc etc, it would be so much easier to narrow down and look to the continent. If we had a plan when we sacked Koeman we probably wouldn't be having the convo now.

The board have no direction or leadership and as such its all scatter gun and looks completely unprofessional.

For what its worth, Sam is meant to be getting £4m a year, thats just under what Zidane gets paid, what Emery gets paid and the same as Benitez. I know its all relative because we look like desperate fridges... but there is plenty of good managers who would jump through a lot of hoops for the opportunity in the premier league for that type of money.

 

[MikeH72]

It is the way he's being raved about. He's the last manager on the planet sorry I forget that part

Not one person has raved about Sam Allardyce, possibly not one in the world ever.

 

[matty1878]

Well until the entire backroom staff and higher ups get culled, nothing will change.

I don't believe in Moshiri and I don't believe in the others Walsh etc, they all stink to me. But these aren't likely to be going away any time soon.

Above this there are 0 managers available right now that aren't on the same level of Allardyce anywho!

Clearly we all have split views on this, but I will gladly accept absolutely anybody who just keeps us up this season - this is what it has come to.

Don't you think that adding fat Sam to This won't split this fan base even more? And when it becomes boring they will then want him gone. We shoudnt even be doing this. I hate our board there a disgrace

 

[matty1878]

Not one person has raved about Sam Allardyce, possibly not one in the world ever.

Ok mate they haven't

 

[markde1]

This is the fiasco we've seen at other clubs (Villa, QPR, Sunderland to name three) and always felt it will never happen here. the rot has been in place for a few seasons now and the spend in the summer papered the cracks but failed to fix the underlying faults (ownership -v- responsibility, strategic plan, squad balance, succession plan, getting the best person available to lead us on and off the pitch, building from solid foundations rather than putting some new tiles on a broken house). Well, here we are and in my view it really doesn't matter who the manager is between now and season end, it really doesn't matter what type of football he brings with him, it really doesn't matter if our egos are pricked by "someone we don't like", this is a battle and we need to be prepared to get dirty from top to bottom. To think that we are safe because there are some many games left is naïve - our recent history is likely we will lose more of them than win them.

Lets "win" the rest of the season irrespective of style and then plan for a future based on the failings of this last summer.

 

[Abraders]

I know it's a cliché but there are no guarantees of anything. Allardyce is absolutely not a guarantee we will stay up, and to be honest, with the fractures it may cause in the fanbase and the toxic atmosphere it may bring to the club, he may well make a bad situation worse.

Allardyce is known as an escape artist simply because he's not a very good manager and so has never been given a job at a club with any aims to finish above 11th. That should tell you all you need to know about his abilities. Others have saved clubs from relegation and then gone on to better things - he hasn't.

Dyche would definitely come here in my opinion. Burnley are doing very well but they are absolutely at their limit and will inevitably start to drop back down the league eventually. He's not an idiot, he would get out now while his stock is high and come here for more money, a bigger budget and the chance to become seen as a hero despite not actually having done very much, seeing as some fans appear to think relegation is an absolute certainty despite us, you know, not being in the relegation zone or anything.

True, there is no guarantee - however I don't think we can pry away Dyche or Silva etc.

I really don't think Dyche would join us, not right now anyway it just doesn't make sense. All the points you've made are probably true but I'm sure he'll just want to ride that wave for now.

We are what 3 points away from it (relegation zone), failed to beat Palace who are rock bottom, now picking up points and genuinely look far far better than ourselves. As do West Ham, and tomorrows game will be a big indicator.

Even despite all this debating on here i'm not like pro-allardyce, I just want proper insight into why people think we should or even can, in our situation, be aiming much higher than him.

If you were told by the forces that ran the world that Everton will be going down unless they appointed Sam, I feel like half the fan base would still not want him.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

 

[Abraders]

Not one person has raved about Sam Allardyce, possibly not one in the world ever.

Sam Allardyce raves though.

 

[zandvoort blue]

We are rubbish at the moment not one person Pro/Anti Allardyce could even claim different... we all have to agree on that.

I jus think we are too short sighted to even consider anything outside our shores, which realistically leaves Sam because no-one will move mid season. There are better man managers, tacticians and more successful around the world then Sam will ever be, I just dont believe the board are brave enough to even consider it.

Agree mate.

No reason why we need to turn to a corrupt (but British) Ludite to pull our nuts from the fire.
Hell, there are only 6 / 20 PL clubs with British managers and none in the Top 6.
Dyche is the top British manager, followed closely by Chris Hughton and Eddie Howe ffs

The British old school Rhino, Dunc and Big Joe 'rocket' in the past 6 weeks has not produced the goods frankly.
I'd even say that the players' 'performances' have gotten worse since Koeman left tbh
Nothing tells me that a dose of British up-and-at-em under Fat Sam and cronies would be any different than Rhino - it'll be like flogging a dead horse. On that basis, the whole potential appointment of this dinosaur needs a rethink. This reeks of Kenright.

Appoint someone who knows how to set up a team, cover our deficiencies as best we can until the window, get the chequebook out then for a Striker, CB or two and a LB and we'll be fine.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

 

[Abraders]

Don't you think that adding fat Sam to This won't split this fan base even more? And when it becomes boring they will then want him gone. We shoudnt even be doing this. I hate our board there a disgrace

It was split under Bobby, split under Moonhead and it will be split under the crooked one.

Heck it was even split over Lukaku, Stones, Del and Barkley.

It's the way football seems to go at everton.

 

[matty1878]

It was split under Bobby, split under Moonhead and it will be split under the crooked one.

Heck it was even split over Lukaku, Stones, Del and Barkley.

It's the way football seems to go at everton.

You know what mate the other two are actual high profile compared to this weapon they really are. Infact Eddie Howe is

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

It was split under Bobby, split under Moonhead and it will be split under the crooked one.

Heck it was even split over Lukaku, Stones, Del and Barkley.

It's the way football seems to go at everton.

"If you Unite them, they will come"....

Thats what Kenwright whispers sweetly during the manager interviews.

 

[Abraders]

Why does it have to be a Top international manager? Silva isn't, we wanted him, Fonseca has nearly begged for a chance in England in an interview - I wouldn't exactly call him a top international manager.

Koeman was the 10th highest paid manager in the world, the entire world. I think it would be folly to presume that some managers from the continent wouldn't want an opportunity in the premier league on a percentage of what Koeman was on considering they could instantly be one of the top paid managers in Europe.

Thing is mate, and this is where everything falls down for me. Walsh's remit (even tho he is a scout) as DOF is to put a plan in place that if we sack a manager we have "profile" of who we go for next to fit in with the club. The board, Dof have failed miserably on this as its clear they dont know what they want, rumours of in house fighting and other [Poor language removed] going on proves that we haven't got a clue.

If we had a template of a manager in mind, how we want to play etc etc, it would be so much easier to narrow down and look to the continent. If we had a plan when we sacked Koeman we probably wouldn't be having the convo now.

The board have no direction or leadership and as such its all scatter gun and looks completely unprofessional.

For what its worth, Sam is meant to be getting £4m a year, thats just under what Zidane gets paid, what Emery gets paid and the same as Benitez. I know its all relative because we look like desperate fridges... but there is plenty of good managers who would jump through a lot of hoops for the opportunity in the premier league for that type of money.

In response to the last bit, we made Koeman one of the highest paid managers in the world for absolutely no.reason as well as overpaying tenfold for players - any manager or player we take now is absolutely going to rinse us.