Everton reopen talks with Sam Allardyce

[BrendanGOT]

Reality is here that this is all a by product of 20 plus years of mismanagement and bad running of the football club. We've been coasting and just been fortunate enough that the other 13 teams in the league were all crap. TV rights changed that. Farhad throwing 50m at it one season doesn't change the fact that we've been sliding towards this inevitability, Koeman was supposed to be the steady Betty that guided us for 3 years while behind the scenes was sorted and playing staff was gradually upgraded, hasn't worked out and what we are seeing now is the mask slipping and the bare face of 20 plus years of negligence without a manager like early Moyes working miracles with nothing. Both Martinez and Koeman went tits up, no coincidence lads, one common denominator in all of this.

 

[Sir Alan]

Reality is here that this is all a by product of 20 plus years of mismanagement and bad running of the football club. We've been coasting and just been fortunate enough that the other 13 teams in the league were all crap. TV rights changed that. Farhad throwing 50m at it one season doesn't change the fact that we've been sliding towards this inevitability, Koeman was supposed to be the steady Betty that guided us for 3 years while behind the scenes was sorted and playing staff was gradually upgraded, hasn't worked out and what we are seeing now is the bare face of 20 plus years of negligence without a manager like early Moyes working miracles with nothing. Both Martinez and Koeman went tits up, no coincidence lads, one common denominator in all of this.

Old cloud head.

 

[Kenshin]

I'm not saying it's fine - I'm saying it hasn't reached the point of having the nuclear option of Allardyce be on the table.

Or to put it another day, Allardyce would be a symptom of extreme incompetence from the club rather than a solution.

By the time the nuclear option is viable mate it could already be too late mate.

The whole point of this is to ensure we don't go down, not waiting til the last 10 games and then panicking.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Bingo mate, basically we can't structure a decent side because whatever we try is undermined by individuals within the side being absolutely shocking and that spreads to the entire team, we need to try get by as best we can do until January - players returning will aid that and in january patch up those areas that are undermining the rest of the team.

Find it funny that people think Allardyce will come in and sure up this team instantly - yeah because this is his record at Sunderland after taking over

17 October 20159 West Bromwich Albion 1–0 Sunderland [show]West Bromwich
25 October 201510 Sunderland 3–0 Newcastle United [show]Sunderland
1 November 201511 Everton 6–2 Sunderland [show]Liverpool
7 November 201512 Sunderland 0–1 Southampton [show]Sunderland
23 November 201513 Crystal Palace 0–1 Sunderland [show]London
28 November 201514 Sunderland 2–0 Stoke City [show]Sunderland
5 December 201515 Arsenal 3–1 Sunderland [show]London
12 December 201516 Sunderland 0–1 Watford [show]Sunderland
19 December 201517 Chelsea 3–1 Sunderland [show]London
26 December 201518 Manchester City 4–1 Sunderland [show]Manchester
30 December 201519 Sunderland 0–1 Liverpool

First 11 games, 3 wins 8 losses - in 11 games - so 9 out of a possible 33 points, worse than we are by a decent way so far.

11 scored - 20 conceded.

Thats his form from early October until the January transfer window opened and he was able to make changes - so basically Allardyce was terrible at Sunderland until he could bring players in himself - there was no new manager bounce, no great tactical changes with a terrible squad that fixed things, what he did is exactly what any manager we brought in could do - he bought players to fix problems - short term in all cases for Sunderland btw.

Oh for context here is his first games in charge of Palace as well

201618 Watford 1–1 Crystal Palace [show]Watford
1 January 201719 Arsenal 2–0 Crystal Palace [show]Holloway
3 January 201720 Crystal Palace 1–2 Swansea City [show]Selhurst
14 January 201721 West Ham United 3–0 Crystal Palace [show]Stratford
21 January 201722 Crystal Palace 0–1 Everton [show]Selhurst
31 January 201723 AFC Bournemouth 0–2 Crystal Palace [show]Bournemouth
4 February 201724 Crystal Palace 0–4 Sunderland [show]Selhurst
11 February 201725 Stoke City 1–0 Crystal Palace

First 8 games, 1 win, 1 draw, 6 losses - so 4 points out of a possible 24 - again massively worse than our current ppg totals.

Scored 4 goals, conceded 14 goals.

Could also show his last 12 games in charge of the biggest club he's managed before us, but that would make very very grim reading indeed.

@mikeh72 , @Eggs

That opening run of games at Sunderland was horrific in terms of difficulty - Liverpool, Everton away, arsenal away, city away and Chelsea away.

That’s 5 of the 11 you speak of.

 

[matty1878]

Vault me on this February March you all will be crying he's our manager and will want him out. "Vault me " HOOOOOF.

 

[balggy]

I'm not saying it's fine - I'm saying it hasn't reached the point of having the nuclear option of Allardyce be on the table.

Or to put it another day, Allardyce would be a symptom of extreme incompetence from the club rather than a solution.

It has sadly.

I was at Southampton and the body language of the players was awful. When they walked out, most didn't even look up at the fan base.

They never look at each other. When Southampton hit the post first half, Jags and Keene just looked at the floor, turned around and started walking back out ready for the goal kick, no inquest, nothing.

The players wanted it over from the moment they crossed the white line, most didn't want to be there.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Howling reading an article saying he needs "convincing"....... absolutely PSML... the board are an utter failure...

5 weeks ago

EFC "Hi Sam, thanks for meeting with us this is what we are proposing a 6 month contract with a large bonus if you keep us up"

Sam "I want 3 years, 15 staff, 20 KFC's a week and a billion pound bonus".


Yesterday

EFC "Hi Sam, thanks for meeting with us again, we have decided to agree to your demands of a 3 year contract, but can we limit it to 8 staff, and 10 KFC's a week? Am afraid we can only stretch to £10m bonus"

Sam "HAHAHAHAHA, Now I want 5 years, 35 staff, 50 KFC's a week and 2 billion pound bonus".

EFC "wait there let me just undo my pants while you bend me over"

 

[greener]

Apologies if this has been discussed at length, I don't have the moral fibre to wade through another 50 pages, but who would the Sam haters have instead? I don't want him but who else is available, really available, not technically if we spunk millions at his club and he'll turn us down anyway.

Real world choices seem to be few. The idea that waving billions of pounds around shouting I'm billy big bollocks will work was always silly. After Man City and Chesea took full advantage years ago it's dificult to do that now (unless you're PSG and up for paying lawyers £££).

It's the lack of viable options thats slowly killing me. Get the bugger in, slap some lipstick on it and pray.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Apologies if this has been discussed at length, I don't have the moral fibre to wade through another 50 pages, but who would the Sam haters have instead? I don't want him but who else is available, really available, not technically if we spunk millions at his club and he'll turn us down anyway.

Real world choices seem to be few. The idea that waving billions of pounds around shouting I'm billy big bollocks will work was always silly. After Man City and Chesea took full advantage years ago it's dificult to do that now (unless you're PSG and up for paying lawyers £££).

It's the lack of viable options thats slowly killing me. Get the bugger in, slap some lipstick on it and pray.

Depends how brave we want to be, the world is bigger them premier league experience. We aren't in the bottom 3 and while things are rubbish there are worse teams (over all) then us in the league.

I have said it a million times, Sam is a guarantee of nothing. He is a risk, a massive risk. Same as any other manager - at least be bold and get someone who has a bit of a history of winning/

Something Sam Allardyce doesnt.

 

[bluestevon]

That opening run of games at Sunderland was horrific in terms of difficulty - Liverpool, Everton away, arsenal away, city away and Chelsea away.

That’s 5 of the 11 you speak of.

and in our next 9 games we have Liverpool away, Spurs away, Chelsea home and United home

and since when was playing everton in 15/16 season away a horrific fixture mate, we where absolutely gash and had won 1 at home in 5 before them mate. Also that was the season that Chelsea had imploded on Mourinho btw so Chelsea had won 4 and lost 9 of their first 16 before Sunderland rolled into town - including losing to Bournemouth, Saints and Palace all at Stamford bridge.

So yeah not exactly how you painted it really.

 

[MikeH72]

That's our fans pretending that we're not sleepwalking towards literal relegation.

 

[Goodison87]

This is akin to the Americans voting for Trump because they'd lost touch with reality.

And like Trump, Allardyce is a walking joke and an actual crook.

And like America, Everton will be a complete laughing stock if we put him in charge.

I don’t buy this Uncle Sam thing either...

 

[ijjysmith]

This is not forever. It's to sort us out.

Is he who I want to lead us to glory? Is he heck
Are we anywhere near glory? Quite the opposite. We're as far as we've ever been.

If he can steady the ship then great. It can't get worse than the last two games.

I'm not as bummed by this as others that's for sure.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

That's our fans pretending that we're not sleepwalking towards literal relegation.

Well, that maybe the case - but to just assume Sam Allardyce is the answer to that question is just as bad.

We wouldn't be in this position if there was any leadership or Direction from the board down.... its a farce its been left to go on this long, and that we are expected to just accept that fraud at our club.