Everton Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

Keane has failed. Simple as that.

Factor in their relative ages and to me it is obvious that Godfrey should be ahead of Keane in the pecking order, which in turn exacerbates the need to dispense with Keane because he's getting paid way too much.

We should loan him out to any club willing to pay 50% + of his wages. We can recall him if needed.

Age doesn't define starters though. Godfrey has done even less than Keane in an Everton shirt. While Keane is most likely on a more significant wage than Godfrey, Godfrey is a hell of a lot more sellable and provides finance/cash flow. Keane would still be a back up. I agree it's a lot money to pay for a back up, but he is the more accomplished defender of all the back up options. I dont see how there is an argument for Godfrey being 'Obvious' at being higher in the pecking order. He only ever gets gametime at full back, (which is criminal considering how neglected our full back positions have been over the years). Just because he's on a lower wage doesn't mean he should be a better choice. While I think you believe we need a complete overhaul of those options (I would agree), it's going to have to be step by step. If you were to loan keane out for 50% wage contribution, lets say hes on 100k a week (which i think is a reasonable assumption), that's 50k we are still paying, and then still paying godfreys wage which for arugments say is 50k tops? (most likely more), we're still paying 100k for a back up defender. So then you discount the wages because you're still in a situation of getting one of hte books and paying a similar wage each week.

Keane is a better defender than Godfrey in my opinion. - But this doesn't mean the bar is set high, just because I think Keane is better than Godfrey, doesn't mean I wouldn't hope for an improvement of options. I think Keane's mistakes get more and more highlighted because he is a low block defender who, as you've put, turns like a tugboat. Godfrey makes plenty of mistakes, he has this thing about recovery tackles, but why does he have to make so many recovery tackles?

The loaning club would have to agree to a recall option though - if you're a loaning club would you want that clause for a player you're wanting to loan?

While we both agree Keane isn't good enough I dont think we're going to fully agree here buddy. I think we both would like upgrades on both but I personally dont think Keane is any worse than Ben Godfrey, when we are defending in a low block, defending a lead, I'd rather Keane come on to help out than Ben Godfrey.

It's nothing personal about Ben Godfrey either, he does get stuck in but for me, Keane is a better CB, Godfrey seems to only get gametime at full back when we're in crisis - which isn't his fault ofcourse. While the faith would be limited, I'd have more faith Keane filling in than Ben Godfrey.

Just to re-iterate, I wouldn't have either in an ideal world. I dont believe having a CB who's skillset is only built for one style of football/defending isn't a good thing, but we simply aren't going to be able to shift 8 players out and bring 8 players in. I think that's amplified by the fact we are extending OAP Young's contract. lol
 
Lets also have a look at Crystal Palace's

Adam Wharton £20m
Matheus Franca £20m
Dean Henderson £17m
Chieik Doucoure £22m
Chris Richards £12m
Nauirou Ahamada ??? £12m
Marc Guehi £23m
Joachim Anderson £17.5m
Odsonne Edouard £16m
Jean Phillipe Mateta £11m
Michael Olise £10m

Granted, that is a better hit rate than Brentford. But Olise aside, none of them are guaranteed to get into Everton's side

Wharton would instantly get in too.
 
Everton’s recruitment has been terrible recently, but you’d think from reading this place that we’ve got no scouts, are completely and utterly incompetent at transfers, and never make any sort of player profit from sales.

In the last 10 years we’ve sold:

Stones 50 mill - record for a CB at the time, bought him for 3 mill from Barnsley.

Lukaku - 90 mill record for a striker at the time (before Neymar distorted prices), w bought him for 30 mill.

Barkley - sold to Chelsea for 15 mill despite being crocked

Richarlison - doubled our money even when being forced to sell

Gordon - we turned an academy prospect into a 40 mill pound asset

Digne, bought for 12 mill sold for 30

Idrissa Gueye - bought for 7 mill, sold for 30, and we got him back again for pittance

We got larger fees for Moise Kean, Vlasic and Lookman than what we bought them for.

We got a ridiculous fee for Iwobi.

We’ll end up close to doubling our money on Onana

We’ll probably end up close to a transfer record when we sell Branthwaite

We could sell DCL for 20 mill tomorrow and he cost us 2.5 I think.

We got Tarkowski on a free transfer.


We’ve absolutely wasted a ton of money on and buys down the years but it doesn’t half get tiring when people on here act as though every single signing that goes to another club is genius and anyone that Everton are linked with is crap or that we also don’t know how to find decent prospects and sell them on.

A lot of clubs in the league would absolutely kill for academy prospects/ youth scouting that delivered Rooney, Rodwell, Barkley, Stones, Calvert Lewin, Gordon, Branthwaite. Some of them barely have one noticeable player in this same period.
It’s because when we finally had money we spent it on absolute garbage and overpaid massively for that garbage which put us in the financial position we’re in now. There have been some hits, but the 3-4 years of actual spending put us back more than having a limited budget would have.
 
Wharton doesn't mate! Onana is better than him.........and James Garner gets picked ahead of him, probably Gueye too with his experience!

Mateta will revert to near Beto esq ability next season! Just hit a hot streak!
Wharton walks in mate, were lucky if we get 1 decent performance out of 5 from Onana - he was rightly dropped after the chelsea performance, Wharton also suits our style much more
 

Wharton doesn't mate! Onana is better than him.........and James Garner gets picked ahead of him, probably Gueye too with his experience!

Mateta will revert to near Beto esq ability next season! Just hit a hot streak!

Sorry but that's nonsense. Wharton is better than Garner and he'd suit Everton more than Onana does. There is a reason he's been fast tracked to the England squad and Garner hasn't had a sniff.
 
It’s because when we finally had money we spent it on absolute garbage and overpaid massively for that garbage which put us in the financial position we’re in now. There have been some hits, but the 3-4 years of actual spending put us back more than having a limited budget would have.
True, if you look at our good sales we made, there is a bit of a gap between Barkley & Richarlison
That's basically when we wasted all our money!
 

Why is Jarrel Quansah in there ahead of James Tarkowski or Max Kilman?
False equivalency in that comparison. Tarks is 30+ and plays in a position England have decent depth.

Garner and Wharton aren't far apart in age and both play in a position which England lack, why wouldn't Garner get a call up or a sniff? Cause Wharton is better. Why does it matter that he's only played 15 PL games? You can see his talent and quality instantly.

Same with Branthwaite only having one full PL season, it doesn't matter, you see his talent instantly.
 
@GrandOldTeam Can we rename this to the 'Adam Wharton has played 15 PL games and now walks into our team thread' please

It’s just the latest shiny ball. It’s embarrassing how it happens every single time. A manager wins a few games and it’s ’why didn’t we get him’ a player has a few decent games and the forum goes into an obsessive mode about it like those consecutive summers when Grealish and Leon Bailey where the only two players in the world that Everton should be targeting.

There’s probably a load of stuff years back melting down about Phillips and Bielsa yet when we’re linked with getting him on a loan only a few seasons later people aren’t interested now.

If Brighton had bought Onana and were selling him to Bayern Munich you’d never hear the end of it on here about how useless Thelwell had been outmanoeuvred etc. It’s honestly just tiresome.

But sure Adam Wharton who has only just nailed down a place in the Palace side and may or may not make his first England squad is better than Onana who will probably end up at Arsenal or Bayern Munich and has captained Belgium.
 
Re Damsgaard it's injuries I think which I think was known before they bought him (I could be wrong on that) and that's probably why he went there in the 1st place rather than to a bigger club. They suffered without Toney this season IMO and losing him would be massive for them
They've been pants since Toney returned
 

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