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Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

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Could James return?

Richarlison said he was surprised he went: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...arlison-makes-james-rodriguez-Rafael-23155842

James has said he didn't want to leave: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...mes-rodriguez-everton-Rafael-benitez-23164391
 
@Zatara
Don't think Ali should close down what we can get. He may become vital to giving the coach options - if the right plan is in place.

Yeah, the Rice, Luiz type player is needed and there's a big difference between them and the ability/types of players Gana, Schneiderlin, Barry, McCarthy etc were. Then you can start to build your 8s from there and Ali becomes the game changer.

Kamara/Gana and Gravenbach/Pogba might not be the same type of players but their weaknesses are the same.
Kamara and Gana rely too much on the other two mids to control the midfield with the ball. But can work if you have your two 8s with the switch being Ali for Kamara.
Gravenbach/Pogba both leave other players to do the hard work; they play like 10s when they are really 8s who need to position and defend better.
 
Bkk Andy said:
Which is exactly why we have zero chance of signing him.
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that is why i don't understand people on here thinking we can sign Ajax's best players. Anthony and Gravenberch won't come here as long as we don't play in the Champions League. There will be many teams after them who can offer that. Until we are regularly in Europe we are signing the Dele Ali's of this world or VDB on loan or Frankie's lads from his Chelsea days
 
dutchblue54 said:
that is why i don't understand people on here thinking we can sign Ajax's best players. Anthony and Gravenberch won't come here as long as we don't play in the Champions League. There will be many teams after them who can offer that. Until we are regularly in Europe we are signing the Dele Ali's of this world or VDB on loan or Frankie's lads from his Chelsea days
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There are players who prefer to take one step up in order to play for managers who they held in high regard as players...and also those who simply want assured game time before joining a very top team.

We have Richarlison ergo perhaps Antony would like to play with him...we also have Lampard so its also possible Gravenberch may choose to develop under him.
 
Blue Roo said:
@Zatara
Don't think Ali should close down what we can get. He may become vital to giving the coach options - if the right plan is in place.

Yeah, the Rice, Luiz type player is needed and there's a big difference between them and the ability/types of players Gana, Schneiderlin, Barry, McCarthy etc were. Then you can start to build your 8s from there and Ali becomes the game changer.

Kamara/Gana and Gravenbach/Pogba might not be the same type of players but their weaknesses are the same.
Kamara and Gana rely too much on the other two mids to control the midfield with the ball. But can work if you have your two 8s with the switch being Ali for Kamara.
Gravenbach/Pogba both leave other players to do the hard work; they play like 10s when they are really 8s who need to position and defend better.
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All depends on the funds we have available.

With Sigurdsson and Delph being out of contract and, I expect Allan, Gomes and possibly Davies moving on there could be circa £450k a week there in wages and perhaps £20mil in transfer fees to use.

We would have Doucoure/Onyango along with Alli in the advanced role so thats 3 players...we would need to bring in 3 more.

The big advantage with the players i mentioned is their contract situations.
 

Zatara said:
All depends on the funds we have available.

With Sigurdsson and Delph being out of contract and, I expect Allan, Gomes and possibly Davies moving on there could be circa £450k a week there in wages and perhaps £20mil in transfer fees to use.

We would have Doucoure/Onyango along with Alli in the advanced role so thats 3 players...we would need to bring in 3 more.

The big advantage with the players i mentioned is their contract situations.
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;)
 
Zatara said:
There are players who prefer to take one step up in order to play for managers who they held in high regard as players...and also those who simply want assured game time before joining a very top team.

We have Richarlison ergo perhaps Antony would like to play with him...we also have Lampard so its also possible Gravenberch may choose to develop under him.
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I feel sorry for Antony and Gravenberch, still quite young and already been given the Zat kiss of death.

I look forward to watching both grace the hallowed turf of Greece sometime soon.
 
Zatara said:
All depends on the funds we have available.

With Sigurdsson and Delph being out of contract and, I expect Allan, Gomes and possibly Davies moving on there could be circa £450k a week there in wages and perhaps £20mil in transfer fees to use.

We would have Doucoure/Onyango along with Alli in the advanced role so thats 3 players...we would need to bring in 3 more.

The big advantage with the players i mentioned is their contract situations.
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I'd throw all the money on Luiz type and VDB, if possible + a couple of free to 3m in the backs)
Get through for another season with that

then onto 8s (Bissouma - Luiz - VDB midfield, with Doucs and Alan as backups)
with the front 6 sorted in quality and depth (+Richarlison, Gray, DCL, Ali, Gordon, Townsend, El Ghazi)
if we haven't found a CB and wing backs by then, they get the spending next year
and which ambitious CB/WB wouldn't want to come into that team.

Reckon with the rights signings in the right order this side transforms pretty quickly
and our backs get a better team to play with in the meantime.
 

Blue Roo said:
I'd throw all the money on Luiz type and VDB, if possible + a couple of free to 3m in the backs)
Get through for another season with that

then onto 8s (Bissouma - Luiz - VDB midfield, with Doucs and Alan as backups)
with the front 6 sorted in quality and depth (+Richarlison, Gray, DCL, Ali, Gordon, Townsend, El Ghazi)
if we haven't found a CB and wing backs by then, they get the spending next year
and which ambitious CB/WB wouldn't want to come into that team.

Reckon with the rights signings in the right order this side transforms pretty quickly
and our backs get a better team to play with in the meantime.
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We need to go really big in the summer. Trust Lampard to build a competitive team. Last summers spending freeze needs to be made up for and can never be repeated.

Go for Bissouma, VDB and Gallagher for midfield with a few midfielders moving on, maybe Kalvin Phillips if any of those don't come off. Go for Isak up front and go big on another forward if anyone leaves, someone like Raphinha. Sign two centre backs. Maybe Guehi from Palace and Tarkowski as back up for PL experience. We've always got the option of going for more Chelsea players as well.

We need 6 or 7 in in the summer to get us at the right end of the table and Moshiri will have to back his man.
 
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Blue Roo said:
Rebuilding the midfield can be a minefield of bad decisions and wasted money. There is no better case than Everton for that.

We had Gana which means you had to have very specific types of mids to make the whole midfield effective for the rest. Same would be for Kamara. If you throw a 10 into that midfield - which is what they tried to do with Siguurdsson, Klassen, Rooney, Vlasic - you'd then need either a world class DM/CM who is great at distributing the ball and switching play, holding onto the ball under pressure in tights space and a significant presence in defence and in the boxes. We had Scneiderlin, then Gomes.
That's a lot of wasted money and a lot of [Poor language removed] football.
If you don't go the 10 route you need two no.8s each side, both of which need to be able to drop and distribute at different times. Both needs to be good dribblers, good passers to link play and possess the vision to able to do that. So if we just get Kamara (and don't get Donnie) we're back to where we were with all that money spent and a lot more money needed to make the Kamara transfer worth the trouble.
Sure we've now got Ali to go the 10 route, but even with a world class DM/CM, Ali is the rock we might perish on.
Further this type of midfield formation is being undone more regularly by opposition - its not solid enough to take on the best where your really relying on 2 CMs to be the main defenders for the side as well as being the ones to get the whole side attacking; how do you play through the pressure and come out with a platform to attack from when its too easy these day for sides too take those 2 out of the game - Southampton being a case in point.

For me a much wiser use of money is to find two or three 8s with the prerequisite that they are good midfield defenders.
You can be more specific from there. One type of 8 is Bissouma, McKennie.
The other type is more the Dutch 8 like VDB who is moving all over the field linking, or off the ball covering the lines and space. A player who would not be out of place filling in the backline as moving into AM.
One more of a dribbler, one more of a linker, but both good defenders.

The two 8s open up the option to play a player like Douglas Luiz in the middle and switch to a player like Ali when a tactical switch is needed. Ie the two 8s are able to quickly fill the roles central midfield defense with Ali on.
Luiz type players would be huge in helping fix the weak presence in the boxes and he's superb with his passing range at getting counters going and relieving pressure.

The spenders need to stop seeing who can they get in midfield and have some sort of a plan.

Gravenbach is a tricky one. Again he's the sort of player that determines who the other midfielders will be.
He'd be better going to Italy and working on his defensive side to become the great all round player he could be.
At Everton a player like Gravenbach could be a disaster for both parties. Look at the problems Pogba has bought to United and multiply.
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Some good ideas but we need a six first who can sit but also has legs get around the pitch too if required, Allan cannot do it. Then we look at some 8s, who I agree need mobility to get back too
 
billyblue80 said:
Some good ideas but we need a six first who can sit but also has legs get around the pitch too if required, Allan cannot do it. Then we look at some 8s, who I agree need mobility to get back too
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Yeah, Alan though would be a good back up to a new 6, sort of give the squad all round confidence in that position being in capable hands come what may.
Alan's probably getting to that stage of his career where he can still play a vital role without flogging his body all the time
Alan as back up is the type of thing that can lifts side a few positions higher over the course of the season.
 

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