Everton Summer transfers 2021

[Stephenlloyd]

He did'nt, Richarlison got 3 and Eze had 6, also Richy has more experience of playing in the PL than Eze and tbh i don't think Roy was getting the best out of him. Olise is probably not as quick as Eze but he is better on the ball and can play out wide or in the centre. It's a good signing for them imo.

You could also argue ancelotti’s negative style didn’t help Richarlison. Asking him
to constantly track back. And not helping when you have the likes of James & siggurdsson who don’t work as hard, forcing Richarlison to play to deep at times, you could see the frustration.

Not much possession most games. Similar to palace. Playing in different positions and different systems.

 

[Tree13]

I understand the point you're making but I think the days of "at worst we'll make a profit" are behind us now. Look at the fume over Kean and how difficult it is to get the world's richest club to give us more than we paid.

I appreciate his fee is lower, but in uncertain times who is going to want to give us £10m+ for someone who has spent two years failing at PL level?

Look at Vlasic and Lookman as examples.

If the player is young enough, and the fee is below £20m, there are clubs in France, Germany, Spain and Italy that will have a sniff.

Olise was a missed opportunity. Simple as that.

 

[Tree13]

I don't deny he has niggly injuries, keeping him fit is the main thing because he is good in my opinion. Do tall players suffer more niggles or am I talking bollocks again?

I don't know if it's related to his height, you might be on to something there.

I do know his fitness is his own responsibility, and for his entire tenure with us he has yet to make 35 appearances in a single season. If he's our number one defender (and he is paid at that level, I think) then I think it's reasonable to ask him to make 40 appearances per season (barring catastrophic injuries).

I'm not saying he's James McCarthy, but he's no Sylvain Distin and that's for sure.

 

[riddick]

I ask again - And I genuinely don't know, so pipe me down with facts by all means:

Who says we weren't in for him?

Who says we were? Let's hypothetically say we were, does it not strike you as odd that he would go to a club that is probable to go down this year and manager who is....suspect at best?

 

[Terrarian]

I don't know if it's related to his height, you might be on to something there.

I do know his fitness is his own responsibility, and for his entire tenure with us he has yet to make 35 appearances in a single season. If he's our number one defender (and he is paid at that level, I think) then I think it's reasonable to ask him to make 40 appearances per season (barring catastrophic injuries).

I'm not saying he's James McCarthy, but he's no Sylvain Distin and that's for sure.

I have to say that the best defences are settled defences with partnerships settled and I feel that hurt us a lot last season, the constant changing, that is a problem with Yerry, some players just go through their careers with constant injuries. I'll give up on him if he reaches Delph levels of taking the piss lol

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Who says we were? Let's hypothetically say we were, does it not strike you as odd that he would go to a club that is probable to go down this year and manager who is....suspect at best?

Depends what the lad wants doesn't it? Maybe he's happy down South. Maybe he saw a clearer path to the first team there. Vieira, while an unproven manager, is likely a draw to some younger players.

The point I am labouring towards is that we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. We don't know we weren't in for him. If we weren't, we don't know there wasn't a very good reason for not being, etc.

And in response to @Tree13 - Time will tell if it's a missed opportunity. I am sure the forum will erupt with cryarsing if/when he scores or assists at any point this season, but there will be tumbleweeds if he is holding the Charlton scarf above his head in 3 years.

 

[mikel_88]

Olise might be a deal we regret not doing but we have to wait to see what signings we make 8 mill may not seem like alot but depends how much we have to spend this window. I would have no problem if we bought him but we need players who can make an inpact esp in midfield with the likes dialby ect who would cost more

 

[Tree13]

Depends what the lad wants doesn't it? Maybe he's happy down South. Maybe he saw a clearer path to the first team there. Vieira, while an unproven manager, is likely a draw to some younger players.

The point I am labouring towards is that we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. We don't know we weren't in for him. If we weren't, we don't know there wasn't a very good reason for not being, etc.

And in response to @Tree13 - Time will tell if it's a missed opportunity. I am sure the forum will erupt with cryarsing if/when he scores or assists at any point this season, but there will be tumbleweeds if he is holding the Charlton scarf above his head in 3 years.

You're missing the point. It's not the PLAYER that is the missed opportunity, it is the combination of age, performance to date and price.

Let me try to explain my thinking.

WE need some wide attacking players - we agree on that, yes?

Option a) Olise. 19 years old, recent strong performances over the duration of a season in the Championship, £8m release clause.

Option b) Zaha. 29 years old, recent above-average season in the Prem, rumours of a fee anywhere between £40m and £70m.

(I freely admit there are other players in existence, I'm just trying to illustrate a point.)

If player a) fails with us after two years, he is still young enough ( at 21 or 22 ) that several other clubs will look at him and think "That was as much the club failing the player as it was the player failing the club. Just a bump in the road. He's worth a punt at £10m / £12m / £15m / whatever". In that scenario, we lose very little financially.

If player b) fails with us after two years, he's 30 or 31... he's a pace player (as are most in those wide attacking positions) and pace declines with age. The question asked by other clubs is "Was that just Everton using him poorly, or is he about to drop off a cliff? Ok, we can take a risk at a modest fee, or on loan, but that's it." In that scenario, we've spent £40m+ on someone who hasn't met the grade and we can't recoup anything close to the outlay.

Obviously if either player succeeds then brilliant, what a great purchase. And both MIGHT succeed.

The risk of financial loss in the event of failure, however, is far lower with player a).


EDIT: Given his age, you may well be accurate in saying the player preferred to stay down south. I cannot believe for one second that Palace was the only horse in the race.

 

[CielosGrises]

Decided to have a glass-half full moment.

Mina continues the good work he was doing with Keane at the first half of last season.
Godfrey picks up where he left off at full-back, pushing both Digne and Coleman.
Digne fully recovers from injury ready for the earlier games of the season.
Gomes benefits from a new fitness regime, rediscovering some of his pre-injury sharpness and contributing to the squad.
Pickford embeds his maturity, having his most consistent season so far. Romero is signed for cover and keeps us in the cups.
Doucoure and Allan form a combative and energetic midfield barely interrupted by injury.
James stays and continues to assist in tight games.
Bernard cameos at both left wing and No.10, providing some assists for teams in the cups.
Iwobi also contributes later in games, full of running and stretching tired defences.
Nkounkou grows into the season at both left back and left winger.
Richarlison and DCL continue up front but Richy chips in with more goals in a settled side.
Sigurdsson rediscovers his set pieces and cameos in narrow games
Kean is sold for a decent amount, replaced by a pacy right-winger.
Davies, Kenny and Holgate start to lose their 'youth' tags and are pushed on by our latest academy prospects.
Gbamin doesn't get injured again.
Tosun reprises his target man role, giving DCL a break in the early cup games.
Simms moves ahead of Tosun.
Gordon moves ahead of Bernard.

..Delph is loaned to Brentford for his leadership qualities.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

You're missing the point. It's not the PLAYER that is the missed opportunity, it is the combination of age, performance to date and price.

Let me try to explain my thinking.

WE need some wide attacking players - we agree on that, yes?

Option a) Olise. 19 years old, recent strong performances over the duration of a season in the Championship, £8m release clause.

Option b) Zaha. 29 years old, recent above-average season in the Prem, rumours of a fee anywhere between £40m and £70m.

(I freely admit there are other players in existence, I'm just trying to illustrate a point.)

If player a) fails with us after two years, he is still young enough ( at 21 or 22 ) that several other clubs will look at him and think "That was as much the club failing the player as it was the player failing the club. Just a bump in the road. He's worth a punt at £10m / £12m / £15m / whatever". In that scenario, we lose very little financially.

If player b) fails with us after two years, he's 30 or 31... he's a pace player (as are most in those wide attacking positions) and pace declines with age. The question asked by other clubs is "Was that just Everton using him poorly, or is he about to drop off a cliff? Ok, we can take a risk at a modest fee, or on loan, but that's it." In that scenario, we've spent £40m+ on someone who hasn't met the grade and we can't recoup anything close to the outlay.

Obviously if either player succeeds then brilliant, what a great purchase. And both MIGHT succeed.

The risk of financial loss in the event of failure, however, is far lower with player a).


EDIT: Given his age, you may well be accurate in saying the player preferred to stay down south. I cannot believe for one second that Palace was the only horse in the race.

Well put mate, and the point is clear as a bell. Using your example, though, a club who has a shocking squad in comparison to its ambitions, has made multiple high-profile transfer blunders in recent times and has just appointed a safety-first manager would probably consider which of the two players could have the most immediate impact.

I REALLY don't want Zaha btw, but in your example the thinking would be he'd walk into the first XI and give us 2-3 good years of service while we build a younger squad to come up behind him. With Olise or similar, the thinking is you'd want to give him a free hit for the first year AT LEAST before any real expectation was placed on his shoulders.

There is every possibility we've missed a massive opportunity, but I don't think it was because we're inept (or not JUST that, anyway...), I think we have to address pressing, first team concerns before we can implement any kind of riskier, forward-thinking transfer approach. This is a problem entirely of our own making, but a problem nonetheless and I imagine FFP and general logistics in a window containing a Euros and Olympics mean that we don't have the luxury of trying to do both at once (present and future building).

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Decided to have a glass-half full moment.

Mina continues the good work he was doing with Keane at the first half of last season.
Godfrey picks up where he left off at full-back, pushing both Digne and Coleman.
Digne fully recovers from injury ready for the earlier games of the season.
Gomes benefits from a new fitness regime, rediscovering some of his pre-injury sharpness and contributing to the squad.
Pickford embeds his maturity, having his most consistent season so far. Romero is signed for cover and keeps us in the cups.
Doucoure and Allan form a combative and energetic midfield barely interrupted by injury.
James stays and continues to assist in tight games.
Bernard cameos at both left wing and No.10, providing some assists for teams in the cups.
Iwobi also contributes later in games, full of running and stretching tired defences.
Nkounkou grows into the season at both left back and left winger.
Richarlison and DCL continue up front but Richy chips in with more goals in a settled side.
Sigurdsson rediscovers his set pieces and cameos in narrow games
Kean is sold for a decent amount, replaced by a pacy right-winger.
Davies, Kenny and Holgate start to lose their 'youth' tags and are pushed on by our latest academy prospects.
Gbamin doesn't get injured again.
Tosun reprises his target man role, giving DCL a break in the early cup games.
Simms moves ahead of Tosun.
Gordon moves ahead of Bernard.

..Delph is loaned to Brentford for his leadership qualities.

The vast majority of that is highly, highly unlikely but god bless your optimism. Put a smile on my mush, at least.

 

[Tree13]

Well put mate, and the point is clear as a bell. Using your example, though, a club who has a shocking squad in comparison to its ambitions, has made multiple high-profile transfer blunders in recent times and has just appointed a safety-first manager would probably consider which of the two players could have the most immediate impact.

I REALLY don't want Zaha btw, but in your example the thinking would be he'd walk into the first XI and give us 2-3 good years of service while we build a younger squad to come up behind him. With Olise or similar, the thinking is you'd want to give him a free hit for the first year AT LEAST before any real expectation was placed on his shoulders.

There is every possibility we've missed a massive opportunity, but I don't think it was because we're inept (or not JUST that, anyway...), I think we have to address pressing, first team concerns before we can implement any kind of riskier, forward-thinking transfer approach. This is a problem entirely of our own making, but a problem nonetheless and I imagine FFP and general logistics in a window containing a Euros and Olympics mean that we don't have the luxury of trying to do both at once (present and future building).

Olise walks into our first team based on his performances this year though mate. Be it a 4231, a 433 or even a 442. He starts out wide right in any of those set-ups. You move James and Gylfi to the 10 spot in the 4231, neither of them feature in the 433, and both could be used as the second striker in the 442.

Admittedly, I'll be astonished if James and Gylfi are both still Everton players come September.

 

[andy4efc]

Writing off a 24 year old centre half sounds premature to me.

You have been looking at Zat's posts too much.

5 years is enough time to judge a player. He isnt strong, he's mouthy/cocky without having the ability to back it up. He is not reliable. Ben Godfrey has shown more in a blue shirt for me in just one seasno.

Holgate has had small periods of showing something but hasn't shown anytihng to suggest he can do it consistently. The exact same can be said for Keane and Mina. Therefore lies our problem of having 5 centre backs and only one who has really shown to have real quality.

 

[Simon Buttle]

You could also argue ancelotti’s negative style didn’t help Richarlison. Asking him
to constantly track back. And not helping when you have the likes of James & siggurdsson who don’t work as hard, forcing Richarlison to play to deep at times, you could see the frustration.

Not much possession most games. Similar to palace. Playing in different positions and different systems.

Agreed mate, Carlos setup did'nt suit Richarlison at all last season, it's why I find the Real Madrid stories a bit hard to believe tbh.

 

[andy4efc]

While it doesn't apply to all Center Backs , a lot of top level defenders don't reach their peak till their late twenties . I remember a time where a certain young defender named Distin was only a decent defender . He definitely reached his peak later in his career then it nosedived .

Distin was unbelievably athletic as well. Retires from Football and starts doing triathlons in his spare time. A good player was Distin but I wouldnt say hes any better or worse than what we have - perhaps benefitted from playing in a more balanced team.