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Everton Transfer Thread 2016

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we've agreed terms with the player...

we had agreed a deal in principle with Swansea, who then came back and wanted us to up our offer.

That is out of our control. Now we either pay what Swansea are asking (we may already be willing to do that) or we will move on.

If its true that we offered £8m, then i am sure that another 2/3m wouldn't be out of the question.

He was in the north west yesterday and apparently stayed local last night - I think this one might get done today.
 
we've agreed terms with the player...

we had agreed a deal in principle with Swansea, who then came back and wanted us to up our offer.

That is out of our control. Now we either pay what Swansea are asking (we may already be willing to do that) or we will move on.

Have we though? How do you know this? We have "agreed terms" with so many players over the years that our squad should have about 57 players in it now
 
If its true that we offered £8m, then i am sure that another 2/3m wouldn't be out of the question.

He was in the north west yesterday and apparently stayed local last night - I think this one might get done today.

not sure if it'll be 'done' today tbh chaz.

I think we'll see developments either way though.

IMO, it's pretty simple what happened.

We went in with a bid (reading between the lines and a bit of common sense dictates it was between £8m and £10m). Swansea agreed to the offer in principle and allowed us to talk to the player, who was happy to join us (potentially wants a new challenge and I'm sure a lucrative long-term contract helped).

Swansea likely then came back to us asking for a bit more money, but also made it public, giving us little choice in the matter.

They're not really doing much wrong, just a bit snidey, but it's business and they almost certainly won't be looking to sell. However, if they weren't looking to sell at any price, they'd have put that in their statement.
 

Have we though? How do you know this? We have "agreed terms" with so many players over the years that our squad should have about 57 players in it now

from a lad that I work with who is very connected with Swansea - which is where I got the four year deal thing from (that I posted on here last night). we'd made an offer that Williams was more than happy to accept.

I've got no reason to not believe the lad. He knows his stuff when it comes to Swansea (given he is from there, a lifelong fan and has worked alongside the club for quite a few years).

Obviously, stuff changes. Swansea seem to be wanting more money, I don't blame them. Up to us now whether we pay it or not.
 
not sure if it'll be 'done' today tbh chaz.

I think we'll see developments either way though.

IMO, it's pretty simple what happened.

We went in with a bid (reading between the lines and a bit of common sense dictates it was between £8m and £10m). Swansea agreed to the offer in principle and allowed us to talk to the player, who was happy to join us (potentially wants a new challenge and I'm sure a lucrative long-term contract helped).

Swansea likely then came back to us asking for a bit more money, but also made it public, giving us little choice in the matter.

They're not really doing much wrong, just a bit snidey, but it's business and they almost certainly won't be looking to sell. However, if they weren't looking to sell at any price, they'd have put that in their statement.

It wouldn't surprise me, from what i got told late last night - medical was done, terms are agreed Swansea has just moved what they want.

Which is fine, they are allowed to do that. I think the public thing was to force the issue, I don't think we would be too pushed out to pay an additional 2m or 3m.

Signing before the match tonight where he goes and watches. We badly need a few CB's, no brainer to me.
 
from a lad that I work with who is very connected with Swansea - which is where I got the four year deal thing from (that I posted on here last night). we'd made an offer that Williams was more than happy to accept.

I've got no reason to not believe the lad. He knows his stuff when it comes to Swansea (given he is from there, a lifelong fan and has worked alongside the club for quite a few years).

Obviously, stuff changes. Swansea seem to be wanting more money, I don't blame them. Up to us now whether we pay it or not.

I got told it was 3 year with option for another year.
 
People are now using the word 'unbalanced' as a euphemism to describe a sub standard squad that is in urgent need of an overhaul.

I think most people that have used unbalanced have used it because what they really wanted to say would be intercepted by the swear filter. ;)
 
I do wonder if our bluff has been called a little bit regarding Lukaku. We placed a 65 million fee on his head which looked exorbitant and quite laughable given a lot of his performances at the Euro's. In part due to his antics I think we probably upped that to 75 million. I think this was to put Rom in his place.

For whatever reason it looks as if Chelsea may well get close to calling our bluff and getting very close to those figures. It smacks of a panic buy in all honesty, with growing discontent at their lack of activity, fears they are being left behind by United/City and a new manager looking to make a mark while struggling to finalise deals. A Chelsea ST holder I speak to says he wants 2 up top.

I think it's left us in a quandary. In all honesty I am not sure many people would be gutted if we lost Lukaku for circa 70 million. It wouldn't feel like Lescott, Rooney or even the Stones saga last season. His first touch is poor but I think you can work around that to a point if he used his physicality better. It's more that he has too many bad games for me. I remember Lampard saying judge a footballer on his bad games not his good games as most weeks you are not having a stand out performance.

Lukaku really struggles in that regard. He was awful for 10 games last season and had games for Belguim where he was very ordinary. People may say with Everton he lost faith with the manager. However do premium level 75 million centre forwards let their performance drop to that extent over being a bit unhappy? I worry about his mental state which is critical to be a top player. Compare him to Suarez (as the fees are in the same bracket though we look likely to get more) even if it's not happening for him in front of goal he still does a lot for the team on a bad day. The same for most top players Rooney, Shearer, Ronaldo even on a bad day they still contribute.

This is the rub though. I think the board would be happy to keep Lukaku to make a statement however I think the manager may be quite au fait with him leaving. We have almost come full circle. We had a manager Moyes who was very reluctant to lose players and Martinez also seemed unwilling to lose young players. Koeman seems cut from a different cloth. Lots of players left Southampton and it never seemed to overly worry him. I think he has very high expectations from a player and if they are not interested they can go. I think he will talk to Rom, but if there's any sign he will sulk like last season I expect Koeman will volley him out personally.

When Lallana left he went and got Mane. When Schneiderlin left he got Claissie. For Shaw see Bertrand, for Chambers see Clyne, Lambert > Pelle. He seems happy to trade and generally trade upwards if the player wants to go.

I agree with everything @The Esk says in that the board won't want to sell him. He is obviously very sources up. I think we have gone full circle a bit though. Almost from managers who were reluctant to trade with a board who compelled them too, to a situation now where the board may not wish too but a manager who is quite calm with that.

I think the Lukaku situation is fluid. He may go and for the fees quoted I would be quite content. The key will be which Lukaku we get. The one who was on for 30+ goals for 2/3's of last season or the petulant lad who finished last season because of a supposed grievance he faces. I agree with everyone saying replacing 18 goals will be hard, but if he is not switched on and happy he won't score 18 goals.

This will be unpopular but if we can get in 2-3 from Long, Benteke, Bony, Berahino or Lacazette it would give us a balance we lack. I think all of the names could improve under Koeman.

DOES HE IMPROVE?
 

I know Garence well, he has very good connections and has got a lot of stuff right in the past. The part about his wife and the Rom family connection is absolute fact so I would assume the rest is pretty accurate.
what was said? sorry missed previous posts
 
I got told it was 3 year with option for another year.

could be mate!

As I said last night I've got no guarantee the info is right, but from his pov there's no reason to lie (it wasn't like he's contacting me, it's the fact that the lad himself is writing the holding article ready to have it published the moment a transfer is confirmed).

A case of wait and see I think! As you said, the public statement was merely to force our hand in accepting their new terms.
 
what was said? sorry missed previous posts

basically the lad on the people's forum (garance) ha stated from his info that Rom is 50/50. Will sit down with Koeman and will stay if assurances about the club's future are made, and will probably get a bumper deal to boot.

Not cut and dry and far from over, either way.

IMO, Chelsea will be relying on Rom to put in a transfer request in order to lower the fee. From my knowledge they still haven't bid - or at least bid anywhere near our valuation. But Chelsea are leaking to the press that they have and that they won't go any higher - even though they aren't in a position of power at all unless the player definitely wants out, which as it stands he doesn't...
 
I do wonder if our bluff has been called a little bit regarding Lukaku. We placed a 65 million fee on his head which looked exorbitant and quite laughable given a lot of his performances at the Euro's. In part due to his antics I think we probably upped that to 75 million. I think this was to put Rom in his place.

For whatever reason it looks as if Chelsea may well get close to calling our bluff and getting very close to those figures. It smacks of a panic buy in all honesty, with growing discontent at their lack of activity, fears they are being left behind by United/City and a new manager looking to make a mark while struggling to finalise deals. A Chelsea ST holder I speak to says he wants 2 up top.

I think it's left us in a quandary. In all honesty I am not sure many people would be gutted if we lost Lukaku for circa 70 million. It wouldn't feel like Lescott, Rooney or even the Stones saga last season. His first touch is poor but I think you can work around that to a point if he used his physicality better. It's more that he has too many bad games for me. I remember Lampard saying judge a footballer on his bad games not his good games as most weeks you are not having a stand out performance.

Lukaku really struggles in that regard. He was awful for 10 games last season and had games for Belguim where he was very ordinary. People may say with Everton he lost faith with the manager. However do premium level 75 million centre forwards let their performance drop to that extent over being a bit unhappy? I worry about his mental state which is critical to be a top player. Compare him to Suarez (as the fees are in the same bracket though we look likely to get more) even if it's not happening for him in front of goal he still does a lot for the team on a bad day. The same for most top players Rooney, Shearer, Ronaldo even on a bad day they still contribute.

This is the rub though. I think the board would be happy to keep Lukaku to make a statement however I think the manager may be quite au fait with him leaving. We have almost come full circle. We had a manager Moyes who was very reluctant to lose players and Martinez also seemed unwilling to lose young players. Koeman seems cut from a different cloth. Lots of players left Southampton and it never seemed to overly worry him. I think he has very high expectations from a player and if they are not interested they can go. I think he will talk to Rom, but if there's any sign he will sulk like last season I expect Koeman will volley him out personally.

When Lallana left he went and got Mane. When Schneiderlin left he got Claissie. For Shaw see Bertrand, for Chambers see Clyne, Lambert > Pelle. He seems happy to trade and generally trade upwards if the player wants to go.

I agree with everything @The Esk says in that the board won't want to sell him. He is obviously very sources up. I think we have gone full circle a bit though. Almost from managers who were reluctant to trade with a board who compelled them too, to a situation now where the board may not wish too but a manager who is quite calm with that.

I think the Lukaku situation is fluid. He may go and for the fees quoted I would be quite content. The key will be which Lukaku we get. The one who was on for 30+ goals for 2/3's of last season or the petulant lad who finished last season because of a supposed grievance he faces. I agree with everyone saying replacing 18 goals will be hard, but if he is not switched on and happy he won't score 18 goals.

This will be unpopular but if we can get in 2-3 from Long, Benteke, Bony, Berahino or Lacazette it would give us a balance we lack. I think all of the names could improve under Koeman.

DOES HE IMPROVE?

Sorry mate, you normally post decent stuff but likening replacing lukaku with replacing lallana is mental.

There's a reason we set that price on his head, it's almost impossible for a club like us to replace a top striker, who exactly are we Gina be able to bring in when we are struggling badly to get players like witsel and such over the line?
 

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