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Everton Transfer Thread 2016

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bluestevon said:
Sorry mate, you normally post decent stuff but likening replacing lukaku with replacing lallana is mental.

There's a reason we set that price on his head, it's almost impossible for a club like us to replace a top striker, who exactly are we Gina be able to bring in when we are struggling badly to get players like witsel and such over the line?
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that's the point mate! people can't fathom that it'll be a huge loss.

yes we'll have the money, but a replacement who guarantees the goals Rom does is gonna be extremely difficult to get here.
 
BlueToff said:
that's the point mate! people can't fathom that it'll be a huge loss.

yes we'll have the money, but a replacement who guarantees the goals Rom does is gonna be extremely difficult to get here.
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The money means absolutely nothing unless you can actually spend it end of the day mate

A replacement who can guarantee the amount of goals Lukaku can get will be impossible to get here IMO

the only options we'd have is to take a punt on someone like Bony, Benteke etc who have done it in this league before - but who havent for a whilst and have flopped at the latest club they have been at and are a clear level below Lukaku

or taking a punt from abroad on someone who has done it in a lesser league (which will cpost us 30-45m) and comes with absolutely no degree of certainty - and i'm not even talking about really class proven players, but people like the lad Cheslea just bought, Milik, Lacazette etc

Any proven striker from abroad won't even entertain our offer as they would have much higher profile clubs with equivalent finances to us at leats fighting over them

Players like Lacazette, Milik etc are most liklely out of our reach also
 

bluestevon said:
The money means absolutely nothing unless you can actually spend it end of the day mate

A replacement who can guarantee the amount of goals Lukaku can get will be impossible to get here IMO

the only options we'd have is to take a punt on someone like Bony, Benteke etc who have done it in this league before - but who havent for a whilst and have flopped at the latest club they have been at and are a clear level below Lukaku

or taking a punt from abroad on someone who has done it in a lesser league (which will cpost us 30-45m) and comes with absolutely no degree of certainty - and i'm not even talking about really class proven players, but people like the lad Cheslea just bought, Milik, Lacazette etc

Any proven striker from abroad won't even entertain our offer as they would have much higher profile clubs with equivalent finances to us at leats fighting over them

Players like Lacazette, Milik etc are most liklely out of our reach also
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'The money means absolutely nothing unless you can actually spend it end of the day mate'

The numbers of times I've heard this type of comment from people - basically trying to justify wasteful spending is beyond belief.

As well as being a football club we are a business.

Meaning we still need to be financially responsible.

Spend money and buy GOOD PLAYERS by all means. But that is not an excuse for wasteful spending. o_O
 

catcherintherye said:
I do wonder if our bluff has been called a little bit regarding Lukaku. We placed a 65 million fee on his head which looked exorbitant and quite laughable given a lot of his performances at the Euro's. In part due to his antics I think we probably upped that to 75 million. I think this was to put Rom in his place.

For whatever reason it looks as if Chelsea may well get close to calling our bluff and getting very close to those figures. It smacks of a panic buy in all honesty, with growing discontent at their lack of activity, fears they are being left behind by United/City and a new manager looking to make a mark while struggling to finalise deals. A Chelsea ST holder I speak to says he wants 2 up top.

I think it's left us in a quandary. In all honesty I am not sure many people would be gutted if we lost Lukaku for circa 70 million. It wouldn't feel like Lescott, Rooney or even the Stones saga last season. His first touch is poor but I think you can work around that to a point if he used his physicality better. It's more that he has too many bad games for me. I remember Lampard saying judge a footballer on his bad games not his good games as most weeks you are not having a stand out performance.

Lukaku really struggles in that regard. He was awful for 10 games last season and had games for Belguim where he was very ordinary. People may say with Everton he lost faith with the manager. However do premium level 75 million centre forwards let their performance drop to that extent over being a bit unhappy? I worry about his mental state which is critical to be a top player. Compare him to Suarez (as the fees are in the same bracket though we look likely to get more) even if it's not happening for him in front of goal he still does a lot for the team on a bad day. The same for most top players Rooney, Shearer, Ronaldo even on a bad day they still contribute.

This is the rub though. I think the board would be happy to keep Lukaku to make a statement however I think the manager may be quite au fait with him leaving. We have almost come full circle. We had a manager Moyes who was very reluctant to lose players and Martinez also seemed unwilling to lose young players. Koeman seems cut from a different cloth. Lots of players left Southampton and it never seemed to overly worry him. I think he has very high expectations from a player and if they are not interested they can go. I think he will talk to Rom, but if there's any sign he will sulk like last season I expect Koeman will volley him out personally.

When Lallana left he went and got Mane. When Schneiderlin left he got Claissie. For Shaw see Bertrand, for Chambers see Clyne, Lambert > Pelle. He seems happy to trade and generally trade upwards if the player wants to go.

I agree with everything @The Esk says in that the board won't want to sell him. He is obviously very sources up. I think we have gone full circle a bit though. Almost from managers who were reluctant to trade with a board who compelled them too, to a situation now where the board may not wish too but a manager who is quite calm with that.

I think the Lukaku situation is fluid. He may go and for the fees quoted I would be quite content. The key will be which Lukaku we get. The one who was on for 30+ goals for 2/3's of last season or the petulant lad who finished last season because of a supposed grievance he faces. I agree with everyone saying replacing 18 goals will be hard, but if he is not switched on and happy he won't score 18 goals.

This will be unpopular but if we can get in 2-3 from Long, Benteke, Bony, Berahino or Lacazette it would give us a balance we lack. I think all of the names could improve under Koeman.

DOES HE IMPROVE?
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As ever a very thoughtful piece, especially the idea that we may transition from a club that tried to retain players to one that was more open to trading, particularly given that Koeman has had some success with this strategy.

Personally I think it's a high risk strategy but perhaps it has one benefit of offering players a relatively easy exit route if we are not the right club or fail to match our ambitions.

I have thought for some time whether or not our determination to keep Stones last year, and our determination to keep Lukaku this year is counter-productive in the recruitment process. There may be a feeling that we are a difficult club to leave which in an era when it seems players move more frequently than the past may present problems.

Having said that we need a core group to build around and it is clear that Lukaku forms a key component given our reliance on his goals.

I can only stress that we have a new contract on the table for him to sign, but with potential release clauses should a CL club come knocking in the future. Raiola was happy to agree the contract with Lukaku so clearly there is not the same desire to leave Everton as suggested by some of the press.

What will make the job of him staying easier is our successes in the current window attracting a Mata, a Carvalho or Witsel etc.

Personally I believe we offer enough and will bring in sufficient talent to retain his services. I don't doubt then he will perform at his very best for Koeman, unlike the dismal effort at the end of the Martinez reign.
 
bizzaro said:
'The money means absolutely nothing unless you can actually spend it end of the day mate'

The numbers of times I've heard this type of comment from people - basically trying to justify wasteful spending is beyond belief.

As well as being a football club we are a business.

Meaning we still need to be financially responsible.

Spend money and by GOOD PLAYERS by all means. But that is not an excuse for wasteful spending. o_O
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Ok mate we should sell Lukaku then as making a 35-40m profit is good business, should also sell Ross btw, we paid nothing for him so getting say 30m would be fantastic, same goes for stones, we can get 50m, so in total we will have made a profit as a business of around 120m this summer.

Maybe the fans can make a song up about it :)

Alternatively try reading more than the first line of the post you quoted and try to figure out exactly where i said we should be financially irresponsible?

BTW soon as you start to look at Everton and whats defines success in pure business terms then your not worth bothering with IMO

Success is first and foremost determined by results on the pitch, anything else is a bonus but if you aren't producing then it doesn't matter what your stadium is like, what you profit sheet looks like, you have failed in what ultimately matters most
 
bluestevon said:
The money means absolutely nothing unless you can actually spend it end of the day mate

A replacement who can guarantee the amount of goals Lukaku can get will be impossible to get here IMO

the only options we'd have is to take a punt on someone like Bony, Benteke etc who have done it in this league before - but who havent for a whilst and have flopped at the latest club they have been at and are a clear level below Lukaku

or taking a punt from abroad on someone who has done it in a lesser league (which will cpost us 30-45m) and comes with absolutely no degree of certainty - and i'm not even talking about really class proven players, but people like the lad Cheslea just bought, Milik, Lacazette etc

Any proven striker from abroad won't even entertain our offer as they would have much higher profile clubs with equivalent finances to us at leats fighting over them

Players like Lacazette, Milik etc are most liklely out of our reach also
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Milik has just signed for Napoli anyway, whilst Lacazette turned down West Ham as he wants CL football...
 

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