Albertini78
Player Valuation: £10m
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[QUOTE="Ashtonian, post: 4809670, member:
Between panic buying and sorting deals out on our terms?
How is that silly? Buy a player 3 weeks ago and it's all calm and collected. Buy them with a week to go and it's panic buying which can result in spending for the sake of it.
You know, like niasse.[/QUOTE]
@Ashtonian
The height of psychosis. You're creating hypothetical scenarios to fume over. What if we sign Witsel or Mata or Carvalho after all. Would they be panic buys just because they're bought in the last week? What if Ghezzal or Brahimi see their options progress over the remaining time and do a u-turn and sign. There are only so many Niasse's in the world and I doubt they're on Walsh's list.
Between panic buying and sorting deals out on our terms?
How is that silly? Buy a player 3 weeks ago and it's all calm and collected. Buy them with a week to go and it's panic buying which can result in spending for the sake of it.
You know, like niasse.[/QUOTE]
@Ashtonian
The height of psychosis. You're creating hypothetical scenarios to fume over. What if we sign Witsel or Mata or Carvalho after all. Would they be panic buys just because they're bought in the last week? What if Ghezzal or Brahimi see their options progress over the remaining time and do a u-turn and sign. There are only so many Niasse's in the world and I doubt they're on Walsh's list.
Ashtonian
Banned on request
Yeah a step up from relegation battle to mid table mate.
Doesnt change who we are going for and who we are actually getting. They may not be terrible players but if the grand sum is signing the best of the worst players in the League then we are running similar to those lot doing it and pretending they are fantastic.
Bolasie Gueye and stekelenburg aren't world beaters, they may well be good for us but they aren't the same calibre as the ones who keep turning us down. And thst is the key here, we aren't strengthening as much as we thought because of it. Williams may be great for us but short term solution. Gueye may be great or fade away etc
Point is we are still massively downgrading no matter how you paint it up.
About -£3m, possibly closer to zero depending on Bolasie fee.
Ashtonian
Banned on request
But you have only named players we have negotiated with before? How does that help your point? I'm talking about throwing money at a club for random players just to fill a position that we need.
If the ones you mentioned turned up after all then they would have been sorted out over time and therefore not panic buys
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
Well with respect, even a basic understanding of the club's finances regardless of any money Moshiri has additionally made available would tell you money has been available throughout the summer.
The early bids for Witsel and Mata, with Witsel in particular agreed other than signed at one stage, necessitated the resources to complete the deal had he signed - that demonstrated the funds were there.
With bids for Koulibaly and Carvalho out there as well at the time, there's no way we would have been attempting such acquisitions without the resources to cover the deals.
Bolasie-24
Williams-9 (split diff)
Gueye-7
Our actual revenue from Stones after sell on fee 40.4
Even assuming the low end of the Bolasie and Williams deals we're still only at a -400,000.
Rico Toffee
Player Valuation: £950k
Yes and yes. And re: yesterday's Dominic King report on Everton walking away from the Hart deal, that read like two clubs who are actually on the same page trying to use their leverage to influence the player to compromise. BOTH Everton and City want a permanent move. The £7m outlay seems less the issue than the fact that it is accompanied with ZERO commitment in the form of a loan. It hurts City because they want him off their books. I totally understand why Hart would want a loan because he feels he hasn't had enough time to thoughtfully consider a long term commitment. But this is how football works and Hart is being given a chance to be a No. 1 for a Top 6 contender and a great manager ALL WHILE not having to uproot himself. He can stay in his same home with a slightly different commute. He wants to be in England and he needs to play to stay England's No. 1. It all makes so much sense. Almost too much.
Everton have shown a strong hand "walking away" from the table with the loan scenario on offer. Everton know they've got a strong position (Stek's strong play the first couple matches has helped their cause) and they're leveraging it. This all reeks of a deal that ultimately gets done. If it doesn't, it'll be down to Hart's stubborn pride and I've no doubt that Everton will have prepared either a contingency or assessed that they can make it to January with Stek. I'm choosing to trust Walsh, Koeman and co. They've earned it with their previous work.
What a surprise! Another post from you as soon as Esk answers somebody. Pretty sure he warned you for being off topic, while this wasn't.
My point is why would you fume over a hypothetical so it's you who has to prove your justification if anyone has to prove a point.
I get what you're saying but if our pre season last year saw us sign Kasper Schmichael, Mahrez, Vardy and Kante you would've been fuming for the same reason. We don't know what Gana or Bolasie's performances will be like over the course of the season. We also don't know if Witsel or Carvalho would actually be any good in the prem.
Plus I honestly think we will make a couple of quality signings late on so let's just wait and see. Previous last minute business for us had included the likes of Lukaku, Barry etc. so it's not all panic buying.
ALANSTUBBS
Player Valuation: £5m
Ah remember those hazy summer days when we all thought we were going to sign some boss players
Yet all the signings we have made have/will improve the team.
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