Just to follow on from last post.
LB -- Baines / Oviedo / Garbutt
LCB -- Mori / Galloway
RCB -- Stones / Jagielka
RB -- Coleman
Pennington,Browning and Holgate there also plus perhaps Kenny.
The problem Martinez has is that the back 4 are all big name players and good individually. But the full backs to me are too attack minded and we need different types of player there who are actual defenders first and can pass the ball well.
If it was me, id be open to taking a bid for Baines £10mil ish. I like him alot and also Coleman+ Jags but think we need a different type there and also leaders who are hungry.
Id be straight in for Kalidou Koulibaly who can play either LCB or RCB...and 2 really solid full backs. Having said all that though Martinez doesnt do nig upheaval and with so many players moving on in summer anyway i dont think we will see any defenders leaving other than the browning or pennington types.
He really needs to make one top defensive signing and also get cover for right back. Koulibaly can play RB also so he would actually be perfect for us.
Errrm 1. it's the managers job to make good individual players into a good unit mate, if he can't then maybe it tells you he isn't that good a manager?
As for Baines - you like him a lot? Really? constantly slate him as being poor defensivley, constantly slate him for not being able to pass, constantly slate him for not being comfortable on the ball in possession - two of those 3 are utterly untrue and 1 of them is very debatable
right lets look at this then in more detail mate as i know you like your stats.
Baines this season -
Games - 10
Total defensive errors - 0
Pass accuracy - 84%
Av defensive actions - 5 (15 interceptions, 4 blocks, 27 clearances)
Av duels won - 51%
Chances created -11
Av pass length - 21m
Oviedo
Games - 10
Total defensive errors - 1
Pass accuracy - 83%
Av defensive actions - 5 (13 ints, 1 block, 35 clearances)
Av duels won - 49%
Chances created -11
Av pass length - 19m
Galloway
Games - 14
Total defensive errors - 0
Pass accuracy - 81%
Av defensive actions - 5 (20 ints, 5 blocks, 49 clearances)
Av duels won - 50%
Chances created - 4
Av pass length - 17m
All three have 1 assist this season, re defnesive actions, all 3 have pretty much the same average per game, baines has a much higher percentage of his being interceptions though - which would suggest he isn't as clueless as you say positionally?
Both those players you have stated are better defensively and better in possession and passing than Baines - yet Baines leads both of them
Baines leads or is tied with them in every single statistic offensively and defensively as you can see, all this during a season he has been struggling with an injury in.
As most who criticise Baines also do - you point out he has been poor not jsut this season but also last as well - the season he ofc created 70 chances and registered 9 assists and 2 goals,
oh out of boredom decided to compare the lad you want to play fb for us Koulibaly
Games - 25
Total defensive errors - 3
Pass accuracy - 85%
Av defensive actions - 7
Av duels won - 48%
Chances created - 8 (0 assists)
Av pass length - 19m
Assuming your not a season ticket holder at Napoli so you haven't see this lad a lot, what are you basing this like for him on mate? he commits a large amount of defensive mistakes, passing about the same as baines - although a much huigher percentage of backpasses than him btw, creates far far less going forwards in terms of chances for other players, wins less of his 1 on 1 battles, he has a notable lead in one area - defensive actions but as he has made the same amount of defensive errors as stones has on the stats that kind of casts a huge doubt on him imo.