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No mate.
When Sunderland come in to take him off our hands and offer him 20k a week.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Bernard and Fraser are essentially the same level. Aside from Bernard not hitting double figures in goals and assists in 1 and 3/4 seasons and Fraser hitting 21 in one season. Other than that they're the exact same level.
In your opinion.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Yeah I get it now. It still only makes sense for me if we find a way to sell Bernard. If we aren't making money on the transaction I don't see it as a big enough upgrade to be worthwhile.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Those numbers would be what are referred to as facts. The stuff about the same level you can change around I guess.
For example: Bernard is better than Fraser with his 5 goals and 4 assists in 1 and 3/4 seasons because Fraser only managed to get 8 goals and 18 assists in the same period.
Dymak
Player Valuation: £40m
You're acting like Ryan Fraser is John Oster. Fraser is very much comparable to Bernard, except Fraser has one truly excellent premier league season to his name and Bernard doesn't.
When it costs 80 million just to gain the rights to start paying Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson 100k a week, I'm not going to crap myself over paying Fraser 100k if he arrives on a free. However, the 100k a week is conjecture right now, we don't know his demands, and what he wants and what he actually gets may end up being entirely different things
I'm not in love with him, if he goes elsewhere I won't be remotely arsed. I just think that he may be better than Bernard and Iwobi and that bringing him on a free could be a good deal.
For you to say "Fraser and Bernie are on the same level" thats literally your opinion.
Unless you are switching your view that goals and assists are the only way to judge players?
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Goals and assists aren't everything, but when an attacking player has 3 times as many as another attacking player that means something, no?
I just think we should maybe hold off on the "sell Iwobi if we are getting Fraser" shouts when Iwobi has barely played under the new manager.
Also I mostly was just trying to mess with our boy Windy here as I find it entertaining how he likes to randomly post calling out me on Lookman when he seems to pop up here, there and everywhere else defending Bernard just the same.
Baggzio
Player Valuation: £15m
Fraser linked with Arsenal, Spurs and us. Yet he’s clearly “terrible”. I swear we could be paying £25m and £100k a week to some winger that no one has ever heard of who was just as good and people would be over the moon. He’s at the very minimum as good as what we have, for free.
Remember when we got Tom Cleverley on a free, he wasn’t exactly good enough for us but I’d argue he wasn’t utterly terrible or at least as bad as people made out, we sold him a year later for £8m or so and made massive profit off him because of it.
Players like Fraser who have at least a minimum of £10m resale value are a no brainier on a free, either they’re good enough or you sell them for profit. Also this talk of him getting £100k a week has literally just been made up out of thin air. The lad is on £27k a week at Bournemouth, you could easily triple his wage and it’d still be nothing for our squad. But don’t let facts get in the way of fuming for the sake of fuming.
Remember when we got Tom Cleverley on a free, he wasn’t exactly good enough for us but I’d argue he wasn’t utterly terrible or at least as bad as people made out, we sold him a year later for £8m or so and made massive profit off him because of it.
Players like Fraser who have at least a minimum of £10m resale value are a no brainier on a free, either they’re good enough or you sell them for profit. Also this talk of him getting £100k a week has literally just been made up out of thin air. The lad is on £27k a week at Bournemouth, you could easily triple his wage and it’d still be nothing for our squad. But don’t let facts get in the way of fuming for the sake of fuming.
Well you know I like Bernie, I've said many times he needs to produce more.
Im spending most days utterly ripping Iwobi a new 1 and I defo haven't given up on him yet, but I really cant see him making it here.
And I'm honestly not even against Fraser, last season he was very good, but history suggests it was a flash in the pan and him leaving B'mouth in the crap doesn't sit right with me, I'm very aware why he's doing it, he's putting himself first, which I know I would, but it still doesn't sit right. His 100k doesn't even bother me, but is he the player we should be going for?
If he's better than Iwobi or Bernie isn't really an issue, lets be honest we can and should be doing better than all 3.
Be utterly stunned if he turns up at Arsenal or Spurs myself.
We are talking about an attacking player that has had less input than our RB this season.
I fail to see how he improves a team who wishes to crack the top 4.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
I'm both against signing Fraser and of the opinion that he'd probably be our best winger if we did sign him. Which is a weird spot but I think both of those ideas can be true at the same time.
Giving up on Iwobi is the same as giving up on Kean to me. The difference is people know Iwobi in the same way they knew DCL while they tried to grow into players, so they'll need to be extra convinced he has made it. The issue for him has become the system and how little he fits into a 4-4-2.
Baggzio
Player Valuation: £15m
If he ends up at one of those he’s a squad player. But somehow he’s not good enough to be a squad player here at worst? That’s all I’m saying. We want to get into the Champions League but we’re not doing that over night and it won’t be without a squad full of Premier League capable players first off. Our first 11 isn’t even that great nevermind the depth behind it.
Also think it’s a bit unfair to judge him on this season, was basically promised a move last summer to a big club that never happened to stay for a relegation fight. Same as Zaha. Good players in poor teams that lose motivation, Zaha is a local lad for Palace and obviously cares more for them though. Obviously a player should perform no matter what but given the modern game it’s very understandable, especially when he’s on such low wages compared to most other players in the league. It’s their livelihood after all.
Hes good enough to be a squad player here, but we have multiple left-wing options, we don't really need any more left-wing options, not unless they improve us massively, can you say hand on heart he makes a massive difference?
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