Match Thread Everton v Swansea. 24th Jan at 1330.

[kenada_blue]

If he's responsible for 8 of them that's the difference between 12th and a place that some people feel happier with.

Continue the kneejerk though...if it makes you feel better.

Shocked and disappointed from a man of your calibre. You live and learn, I suppose.

So away from the 8 out of the 32. There's 24 goals the entire TEAM is responsible for.

A team that has, as even you have put it, a centre half that isn't a defender (STONES).

Overall, you can't concede that many goals and expect to get anything out of games.

Martinez has zero balance in this side with too many echoes to his previous side (WIGAN).

 

[davek]

And if they don't?

They'll continue to be average and we'll have to hold onto midtable, regroup and come at this again next season armed with all the experience (good and bad) of this campaign...and a new GK for sure.

We'll get there. Keep the faith.

 

[davek]

So away from the 8 out of the 32. There's 24 goals the entire TEAM is responsible for.

A team that has, as even you have put it, a centre half that isn't a defender (STONES).

Overall, you can't concede that many goals and expect to get anything out of games.

Martinez has zero balance in this side with too many echoes to his previous side (WIGAN).

That's a caricature of reality. You cant NOT concede can you? If we had conceded 24 not 32 then we'd be higher in the league without question.

It's abundantly clear.

The lazy Wigan comparisons: please, dont insult yourself. Really?!

Pffft!

 

[daz4matty]

That's a caricature of reality. You cant NOT concede can you? If we had conceded 24 not 32 then we'd be higher in the league without question.

It's abundantly clear.

The lazy Wigan comparisons: please, dont insult yourself. Really?!

Pffft!

Keep on topic please

 

[riddick]

They'll continue to be average and we'll have to hold onto midtable, regroup and come at this again next season armed with all the experience (good and bad) of this campaign...and a new GK for sure.

We'll get there. Keep the faith.

Don't you see the fallacy tho? We DON'T get to Wembley, the players who are excellent aren't going to want to stay. So the team Martinez assembled is going to broken apart. Then NEXT year the excuse will be 'its a new group of players, give it time'.

I like the guy. If he was the same guy who got us 72 points, it'd be a different story. He's not tho. He doesn't change the formation, he doesn't make the boss subs he did in that first year, he doesn't loan boss players from random places to the ire of the rest of the league. He's gotten far too conservative.

 

[Fansince1988]

The goalkeeper problem could be sorted now, play Joel I have no problem with Howard as back up, he might though.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That's a caricature of reality. You cant NOT concede can you? If we had conceded 24 not 32 then we'd be higher in the league without question.

It's abundantly clear.

The lazy Wigan comparisons: please, dont insult yourself. Really?!

Pffft!

Perfectly fair comparisons given how things are panning out. I want better for everton. I always thought you were someone who recognised how big everton actually are. How is this acceptable for us?

 

[R.Reddington]

Don't you see the fallacy tho? We DON'T get to Wembley, the players who are excellent aren't going to want to stay. So the team Martinez assembled is going to broken apart. Then NEXT year the excuse will be 'its a new group of players, give it time'.

I like the guy. If he was the same guy who got us 72 points, it'd be a different story. He's not tho. He doesn't change the formation, he doesn't make the boss subs he did in that first year, he doesn't loan boss players from random places to the ire of the rest of the league. He's gotten far too conservative.

Fantastic post.

 

[evo1878]

well to be fair , look at the facts (like you said) ... moyes had a better results average and better league finishes with a lot less money to spend and a lot worse players.
this was highlited actually on radio 5 during last weekend. the football wasn't as nice but the results and success were a lot better.

The football isn't nice, it's crazy playground football. That was exciting at school breaks but not at this professional level. It's gone from pre season where you probably knew we'd have to score a minimum of 2 to win any game, to a point where i'm no longer confident that even if we score 3 you know its also probably not going to be enough?

 

[Mayz]

Disappointed and unhappy!!!
Love Everton so much but this crap every week is killing me.
So much talent, yet poor tactics yet again.
We shouldn't be losing at home, especially to Swansea.

 

[froggyted]

Forget the result I'm more worried about this, my cousin has just come to ours after the match and showed me this from pre match in the park end.
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What, you mean the 'no bottles beyond this point' sign? Unfortunately, the team didn't go in that way.

 

[marnie]

Stop trying to sell one of the best players we've had here in years because he had a bad 45 minutes. It happens.

We don't deserve nice things with comments like this

It's not just a bad 45 mins though is it mate........... he has been off his game for weeks.... hence the reason we are getting banjoed up the backside defensively week in week out.

 

[davek]

Don't you see the fallacy tho? We DON'T get to Wembley, the players who are excellent aren't going to want to stay. So the team Martinez assembled is going to broken apart. Then NEXT year the excuse will be 'its a new group of players, give it time'.

I like the guy. If he was the same guy who got us 72 points, it'd be a different story. He's not tho. He doesn't change the formation, he doesn't make the boss subs he did in that first year, he doesn't loan boss players from random places to the ire of the rest of the league. He's gotten far too conservative.

Mtae. It's a post match fume that will make those involved in it look very silly come Wednesday night. Dont fall into the trap of being one of those people. All through Martinez's time here there's been questions...and he's still here, we're building a strong squad and they're still fuming.

I've said it a million times: I cant stand fickle fans. They'll drive you mad if you let them. Just wait and see what happens next.

 

[kenada_blue]

That's a caricature of reality. You cant NOT concede can you? If we had conceded 24 not 32 then we'd be higher in the league without question.

It's abundantly clear.

The lazy Wigan comparisons: please, dont insult yourself. Really?!

Pffft!

So you're whole defence lies with Howard.

And who's fault is that?

I think there's more problems throughout the whole 90mins, game to game, that leads to how open we are as a team. This is all down to Martinez.

As for the Wigan comparaisons...well, stats don't lie.

 

[Kev50]

If we do in the next year end up properly in the brownstuff, when we come to the enquiry as to how we got where we were, there will be so many warning signs that we are currently in the main choosing to ignore. The parallels with Wigan are scary, conceding goals hand over fist and also scoring a bucketload. We've all been watching Everton for years and there are certain basic requirements to a decent footy team, and possibly the most important is, you have to be able to defend.
We cannot defend.
We are NOT doing anything other than what a Martinez team does, which is defend laughably badly. That situation is not going to change as long a sBob is the manager, and I think we all know that. So we are asked to invest in the strategy that if you score three we will score four. It is a strategy that to my knowledge has never ever worked, even with the
Monied teams.