Everton Youth Teams Thread

[aazak]

0-0 - Didn't see the game, just posting score for anyone interested. Evans and Foulds are who came on for McCarthy and Bolasie. Mathis came on for Hennen after 51.

 

[Philw]

Davies box to box
Baningime Defensive midfield
Dowell Attacking midfield
Walsh deep playmaker
Williams defensive midfield
Connolly utility player

Really the only crossover would be baningime and willimans id have thought...

If we look at 2 players for each position then all but the above 2 occupy separate positions...

Exactly, 6 players for, 3 maybe 4 positions, and that's ignoring Adniran. You talk about 2 players for every position - the backup for one young player can't be another young player, there needs to be a balance between youth and experience.

 

[johnnydawg68]

The problem is though mate, sometimes players will want away permanently. Walsh has 18 months on a deal to run which won't be huge. If he gets the chance to a 3-4 year contract, with win bonuses, appearance fees etc it i a very tempting offer. In 6 months tim with Bristol City he could be playing in the Premier League too, which may well have a mandatory increase in wage. It could well be he is on 3/4/5 or even 10 times his current salary within a year if things go well. It's hard to stand in the way of that for young players. Everton are quite good with this and acknowledge if they can get lads a career in the leagues in many ways they have done their bit.

I'm not saying it's right, but the offer from Bristol City might not be there in 6 months. They may get promoted without him and feel they want a more experienced player. I would suspect Walsh is pushing for the move and the club if he is to go are ding so reluctantly but also happily to give him the best chance he can get of moving forward.

It's a real shame, he's a very talented footballer. For me more talented at youth levels than Beni and Davies, but they only tell you half the story. A lot depends on getting a good break and also how you train and handle the first team. Whats without question though is if you are good enough you will get given a chance with Everton.

It's funny as Ryan Ledson left the club, and is doing well for Oxford, close to 100 appearances now which is very good for a 20 year old. However at present doesn't look like there are any takers higher up with him. Maybe some players find a level, make a decent living from the game, and don't want to risk being released at 21/22. You look at whats happened to Mcaleny who should have probably moved on some years before he did.

It has to be that Walsh and his people have decided to push for a move, and frankly I don’t blame him if so. I think this will be our loss, but a good thing for Walsh.

 

[johnnydawg68]

Look at John Lundstram as well. Moved to Oxford, got a move to Sheffield United, and now has a chance to prove himself after an injury to the guy ahead of him. He might be in the Prem next year too.

 

[Zatara]

The problem is though mate, sometimes players will want away permanently. Walsh has 18 months on a deal to run which won't be huge. If he gets the chance to a 3-4 year contract, with win bonuses, appearance fees etc it i a very tempting offer. In 6 months tim with Bristol City he could be playing in the Premier League too, which may well have a mandatory increase in wage. It could well be he is on 3/4/5 or even 10 times his current salary within a year if things go well. It's hard to stand in the way of that for young players. Everton are quite good with this and acknowledge if they can get lads a career in the leagues in many ways they have done their bit.

I'm not saying it's right, but the offer from Bristol City might not be there in 6 months. They may get promoted without him and feel they want a more experienced player. I would suspect Walsh is pushing for the move and the club if he is to go are ding so reluctantly but also happily to give him the best chance he can get of moving forward.

It's a real shame, he's a very talented footballer. For me more talented at youth levels than Beni and Davies, but they only tell you half the story. A lot depends on getting a good break and also how you train and handle the first team. Whats without question though is if you are good enough you will get given a chance with Everton.

It's funny as Ryan Ledson left the club, and is doing well for Oxford, close to 100 appearances now which is very good for a 20 year old. However at present doesn't look like there are any takers higher up with him. Maybe some players find a level, make a decent living from the game, and don't want to risk being released at 21/22. You look at whats happened to Mcaleny who should have probably moved on some years before he did.

Yeah its true about him perhaps wanting to move for a great opportunity, I don't mind it at all as long as we have a buyback.

Exactly, 6 players for, 3 maybe 4 positions, and that's ignoring Adniran. You talk about 2 players for every position - the backup for one young player can't be another young player, there needs to be a balance between youth and experience.

True, but I think you also have to look at Kenny and Holgate as examples. 'If' they manage to keep their spots for most of this season then would we look to sign in a 'star' player to take their place? Unlikely...it's more likely that if Coleman and Keane (as examples) aren't able to dislodge them then we would sell the senior players and then sign/promote two younger players as cover/rotation (perhaps Gibson and Feeney down the track).

If we're looking at the central midfield area then we could remove McCarthy, Besic and Klaassen without any effect...

Rooney - Deep Playmaker
Schneiderlin - Holding Midfielder
Gana - Defensive midfielder

Davies - Box to box
Baningime - Defensive midfielder
Walsh - Deep playmaker
Williams - Defensive midfielder

If we kept all of these players in the squad then it's apparent we would need to loan 2 of them out. If any of them take a seniors position then the cycle begins again.

I think Connolly should be seen as a utility player and Dowell more of an attacking player, so the focus would be on these 4.

Regarding Adeniran, ive never seen him play but would hope that each of the young players gets some minutes on the pitch this season so they can all be assessed next summer.

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[granter79]

All about timing where Walsh is concerned. Might have been given the chance Davies and Beni have if he was here at them times.

 

[Philw]

True, but I think you also have to look at Kenny and Holgate as examples. 'If' they manage to keep their spots for most of this season then would we look to sign in a 'star' player to take their place? Unlikely...it's more likely that if Coleman and Keane (as examples) aren't able to dislodge them then we would sell the senior players and then sign/promote two younger players as cover/rotation (perhaps Gibson and Feeney down the track).

If we're looking at the central midfield area then we could remove McCarthy, Besic and Klaassen without any effect...

Rooney - Deep Playmaker
Schneiderlin - Holding Midfielder
Gana - Defensive midfielder

Davies - Box to box
Baningime - Defensive midfielder
Walsh - Deep playmaker
Williams - Defensive midfielder

If we kept all of these players in the squad then it's apparent we would need to loan 2 of them out. If any of them take a seniors position then the cycle begins again.

I think Connolly should be seen as a utility player and Dowell more of an attacking player, so the focus would be on these 4.

Regarding Adeniran, ive never seen him play but would hope that each of the young players gets some minutes on the pitch this season so they can all be assessed next summer.

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I just think it's too risky to have youth backing up youth, or even as the only backup to your first choice players. They have played really well recently, but they are obviously still young, and as much as their physical and technical abilities are plain for all to see, we need to know more about their mental attributes. What happens when they inevitably hit a rough patch and you need to take them out? You have to put in another youngster who is more prone to the same issues than an older player would be. If the next guys where a few more years younger, then Coleman would be 30 say, Kenny the starting RB at 25, then a 20yr old coming through. Then you've got that good balance I was talking about of youth/experience.

 

[Nymzee]

When Davies got his chance Walsh was out on loan. When Beni got his chance Walsh was out on loan. Had he not been its possible he may have been the one given the opportunity in both instances. The timing was against him.

He has not been given a chance. That is also an undeniable fact. He still has 18 months left on his contract and he is still just 20. WTF is the rush here?. Last loan didnt work out. Get him another one in Jan and reassess in the summer. What can be wrong in that?

The undeniable fact is there was an U23 game last night and he wasn’t even in the squad. He’s gone.

 

[royalblue66]

Seeing Feeney has signed an extension, another good blue.

 

[Zatara]

I just think it's too risky to have youth backing up youth, or even as the only backup to your first choice players. They have played really well recently, but they are obviously still young, and as much as their physical and technical abilities are plain for all to see, we need to know more about their mental attributes. What happens when they inevitably hit a rough patch and you need to take them out? You have to put in another youngster who is more prone to the same issues than an older player would be. If the next guys where a few more years younger, then Coleman would be 30 say, Kenny the starting RB at 25, then a 20yr old coming through. Then you've got that good balance I was talking about of youth/experience.

Well, using right back as an example.

Coleman is 29 and Kenny is 20.

At the end of next season, Coleman will be 30 and Kenny 22.

If Kenny has taken Colemans place at the end of next season then the club has a decision....

Should they keep the 2nd choice right back whose on a big salary, or should they sign a young player with high potential to push Kenny?

Also likely, would Coleman ask to leave for game time or if Kenny isn't getting games would he want to leave...

In each of these scenarios the short term vision of keeping old players too long isn't the ideal choice. After 30 their values plummet as well.

 

[Zatara]

The undeniable fact is there was an U23 game last night and he wasn’t even in the squad. He’s gone.

hope we have a buy back clause

 

[Barnfred 55]

The undeniable fact is there was an U23 game last night and he wasn’t even in the squad. He’s gone.

Yeah I saw that.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The undeniable fact is there was an U23 game last night and he wasn’t even in the squad. He’s gone.

First thing that came into my head was I bet Nymzee is made up.

 

[Nymzee]

First thing that came into my head was I bet Nymzee is made up.

You’re strange guy.

 

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Calum Connolly just scored for Ipswich, 3rd goal in 4 if SSN is to be believed