The move really seems to be working for him, very glad.
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mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
anyone know where kenny is at the minute? picked up an injury?
Was going to post this in the Utd thread but might have more relavance here.
United used to have an excellent academy, City have really overtaken them now. Glad ours is still well and very clearly in Martinez's plans.
United used to have an excellent academy, City have really overtaken them now. Glad ours is still well and very clearly in Martinez's plans.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
OS Report.
http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2010-to-2019/2015-2016/u21-premier-league-cup/newcastle/match
Everton Under-21s twice came from behind to win 4-3 against Newcastle United and progress to the last eight of the Premier League Cup.
Leandro Rodriguez had cancelled out Emmanuel Riviere's opener, but a penalty from Sylvain Marveaux gave the visitors a 2-1 lead going into the break.
The impressive Joe Williams then levelled the game just after half-time, beforeCallum Connolly nodded the young Blues in front.
It seemed the game would be destined for extra-time when Callum Roberts equalised late on for United, but a last-gasp goal from substitute Courtney Duffus meant it was the Toffees who secured their passage to the quarter-finals.
At a very wet and cold Merseyrail Community Stadium, Everton fell behind within the opening minute when the visitors netted straight from the kick-off, striker Riviere slotting home from close range.
The young Blues, however, responded well to the early setback, with Williams, Rodriguez and Conor McAleny all going close.
And that pressure quickly paid off when defender Connolly rose above the Newcastle keeper Freddie Woodman and headed down for Rodriguez to tap in a much-deserved equaliser on 10 minutes.
In an entertaining affair, both sides committed players forward at every opportunity but, unfortunately for the Toffees, it was the Magpies who went ahead just before the half-hour mark.
Harry Charsley, playing in an unfamiliar right-back role, was punished for bringing down Frenchman Rolando Aarons in the box, the referee immediately pointing to the spot.
Striker Marveaux stepped up to take the penalty and calmly sent Louis Gray the wrong way to give his side the lead heading into the break.
But their advantage wouldn’t last long, the Blues emerging from the interval to grab an immediate equaliser of the highest quality.
Kieran Dowell played a short corner to Charsley, who stepped over the ball for Williams to bend a spectacular effort past the helpless Woodman.
Just moments later it could have got even better for Unsworth’s side as Connolly once again rose highest to connect with Dowell’s corner, only to see his header strike the crossbar with the keeper beaten.
As the rain got heavier in Southport, so did the Everton pressure and they were rewarded for their efforts with just 13 minutes remaining.
Dowell worked another short corner with Charsley, before sending an in-swinging cross into the box for Connolly to prod his side in front for the first time in the game.
But that wasn’t to be the last of the goals as still the drama unfolded.
Roberts fired past Gray with just minutes remaining and it looked as though the tie would head into an added 30 minutes.
But there was to be one final late twist.
Charsley was found in acres of space on the right-hand side and he whipped in a low cross that Duffus was on hand to bundle over the line to secure the most dramatic of victories.
Next up for Unsworth’s side is a clash against Accrington Stanley in the semi-finals of the Lancashire Senior Cup next Wednesday (20 January).
Everton: Gray, Charsley, Connolly, Davies, Feeney, Thorniley, Dowell, Williams, Byrne (Evans 61), Rodriguez (Duffus 61), McAleny (Dyson 75)
Newcastle United: Woodman, Sterry, Gibson, Barlaser, Williams, Satka, Roberts, Smith, Riviere, Marveaux, Aarons
http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2010-to-2019/2015-2016/u21-premier-league-cup/newcastle/match
Everton Under-21s twice came from behind to win 4-3 against Newcastle United and progress to the last eight of the Premier League Cup.
Leandro Rodriguez had cancelled out Emmanuel Riviere's opener, but a penalty from Sylvain Marveaux gave the visitors a 2-1 lead going into the break.
The impressive Joe Williams then levelled the game just after half-time, beforeCallum Connolly nodded the young Blues in front.
It seemed the game would be destined for extra-time when Callum Roberts equalised late on for United, but a last-gasp goal from substitute Courtney Duffus meant it was the Toffees who secured their passage to the quarter-finals.
At a very wet and cold Merseyrail Community Stadium, Everton fell behind within the opening minute when the visitors netted straight from the kick-off, striker Riviere slotting home from close range.
The young Blues, however, responded well to the early setback, with Williams, Rodriguez and Conor McAleny all going close.
And that pressure quickly paid off when defender Connolly rose above the Newcastle keeper Freddie Woodman and headed down for Rodriguez to tap in a much-deserved equaliser on 10 minutes.
In an entertaining affair, both sides committed players forward at every opportunity but, unfortunately for the Toffees, it was the Magpies who went ahead just before the half-hour mark.
Harry Charsley, playing in an unfamiliar right-back role, was punished for bringing down Frenchman Rolando Aarons in the box, the referee immediately pointing to the spot.
Striker Marveaux stepped up to take the penalty and calmly sent Louis Gray the wrong way to give his side the lead heading into the break.
But their advantage wouldn’t last long, the Blues emerging from the interval to grab an immediate equaliser of the highest quality.
Kieran Dowell played a short corner to Charsley, who stepped over the ball for Williams to bend a spectacular effort past the helpless Woodman.
Just moments later it could have got even better for Unsworth’s side as Connolly once again rose highest to connect with Dowell’s corner, only to see his header strike the crossbar with the keeper beaten.
As the rain got heavier in Southport, so did the Everton pressure and they were rewarded for their efforts with just 13 minutes remaining.
Dowell worked another short corner with Charsley, before sending an in-swinging cross into the box for Connolly to prod his side in front for the first time in the game.
But that wasn’t to be the last of the goals as still the drama unfolded.
Roberts fired past Gray with just minutes remaining and it looked as though the tie would head into an added 30 minutes.
But there was to be one final late twist.
Charsley was found in acres of space on the right-hand side and he whipped in a low cross that Duffus was on hand to bundle over the line to secure the most dramatic of victories.
Next up for Unsworth’s side is a clash against Accrington Stanley in the semi-finals of the Lancashire Senior Cup next Wednesday (20 January).
Everton: Gray, Charsley, Connolly, Davies, Feeney, Thorniley, Dowell, Williams, Byrne (Evans 61), Rodriguez (Duffus 61), McAleny (Dyson 75)
Newcastle United: Woodman, Sterry, Gibson, Barlaser, Williams, Satka, Roberts, Smith, Riviere, Marveaux, Aarons
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
strange if van gaal is responsible for a fall in standards, hes given a hell of a lot more academy players a chance in the last 2 years than martinez has.
From what I can tell the decline has been an problem since Fergie's last years, a bit of complacency about its quality that let City start to recurit the better local players and Fergie not using young players as much - Pogba being one of the prime examples.
LVG has used numerically more academy players but doesn't seem much structure to it and can't think of any that have progressed in the past 18months. His use of Powell as a sub in the crucial champions league tie had more of a "throw him to the lions" feel than a concerted plan for his development, Powell has since been shipped off to Nottingham Forest and is unlikely to return as he's in his last year of comtract. LVG humiliated McNair quite a few times by subbing him mid game, even on 40 mins iirc, which doesn't seem to have done his confidence any good and Januzaj has gone backwards from his time under Moyes.
Lingard was doing well but by the thunder on LVG's face when missed a sitter and was immediately subbed on Tuesday am not sure we'll be seeing him for a while.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
for all the criticism he gets(mostly deserved) i think hes one of he best around at giving young players a chance, at bayern he brought through players like muller, kroos and alaba too.
Historically I'd agree, I really like Blind for instance and he trusted him and other youngsters in the Dutch national team when other coaches could well have made different choices.
But in the last 18months he seems a bit too ready to just chuck them in the deep end with little support - if they swim he'll keep them around a bit but once they start to struggle he yanks them out the pool in a rather public manner which understandably seems to affect their confidence.
He does at least give them a chance to show their abilities though, most of the talented Chelsea kids don't even get an opportunity with their parent club.
OS Report.
http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2010-to-2019/2015-2016/u21-premier-league-cup/newcastle/match
Everton Under-21s twice came from behind to win 4-3 against Newcastle United and progress to the last eight of the Premier League Cup.
Leandro Rodriguez had cancelled out Emmanuel Riviere's opener, but a penalty from Sylvain Marveaux gave the visitors a 2-1 lead going into the break.
The impressive Joe Williams then levelled the game just after half-time, beforeCallum Connolly nodded the young Blues in front.
It seemed the game would be destined for extra-time when Callum Roberts equalised late on for United, but a last-gasp goal from substitute Courtney Duffus meant it was the Toffees who secured their passage to the quarter-finals.
At a very wet and cold Merseyrail Community Stadium, Everton fell behind within the opening minute when the visitors netted straight from the kick-off, striker Riviere slotting home from close range.
The young Blues, however, responded well to the early setback, with Williams, Rodriguez and Conor McAleny all going close.
And that pressure quickly paid off when defender Connolly rose above the Newcastle keeper Freddie Woodman and headed down for Rodriguez to tap in a much-deserved equaliser on 10 minutes.
In an entertaining affair, both sides committed players forward at every opportunity but, unfortunately for the Toffees, it was the Magpies who went ahead just before the half-hour mark.
Harry Charsley, playing in an unfamiliar right-back role, was punished for bringing down Frenchman Rolando Aarons in the box, the referee immediately pointing to the spot.
Striker Marveaux stepped up to take the penalty and calmly sent Louis Gray the wrong way to give his side the lead heading into the break.
But their advantage wouldn’t last long, the Blues emerging from the interval to grab an immediate equaliser of the highest quality.
Kieran Dowell played a short corner to Charsley, who stepped over the ball for Williams to bend a spectacular effort past the helpless Woodman.
Just moments later it could have got even better for Unsworth’s side as Connolly once again rose highest to connect with Dowell’s corner, only to see his header strike the crossbar with the keeper beaten.
As the rain got heavier in Southport, so did the Everton pressure and they were rewarded for their efforts with just 13 minutes remaining.
Dowell worked another short corner with Charsley, before sending an in-swinging cross into the box for Connolly to prod his side in front for the first time in the game.
But that wasn’t to be the last of the goals as still the drama unfolded.
Roberts fired past Gray with just minutes remaining and it looked as though the tie would head into an added 30 minutes.
But there was to be one final late twist.
Charsley was found in acres of space on the right-hand side and he whipped in a low cross that Duffus was on hand to bundle over the line to secure the most dramatic of victories.
Next up for Unsworth’s side is a clash against Accrington Stanley in the semi-finals of the Lancashire Senior Cup next Wednesday (20 January).
Everton: Gray, Charsley, Connolly, Davies, Feeney, Thorniley, Dowell, Williams, Byrne (Evans 61), Rodriguez (Duffus 61), McAleny (Dyson 75)
Newcastle United: Woodman, Sterry, Gibson, Barlaser, Williams, Satka, Roberts, Smith, Riviere, Marveaux, Aarons
.....Newcastle will be getting paranoid about us scoring last minute goals against them.
It's a load of nonsense that's about United's academy. They're still very good and they produce more young professionals throughout football than any other clubs, although they do things very difficult to other clubs, which is not for everyone. Them and Tottenham have a very unique style for this country.
City have bypassed them but they have bypassed everyone and they've only done so by spending money. They are getting the top talent around but they're just paying ridiculous fees to parents.
Everton have been hit by it ourselves as our top 11s player has just walked out on us and will end up at city in the next few weeks if he's not there already. They'll only have to pay a small development fee to us for him.
United lost 2 players at the same age last year cause city were rumoured to have paid there parents 40k each to let there 10 yr olds sign.
Liverpool lost a striker in September to city in that age group in the exact same way. The parents pulled him out saying he was moving out of town, Liverpool released him from his contract & he turns up at city a few weeks later, with rumours he's getting 1.5k per month.
Blackburn lost there best player in September, also to city, in a similar fashion.
Not many of these parents think city is the best place to develop, it's not, it's very structured training and more about developing teams to be the best in each category then developing individuals but parents can't refuse some of the money being bandied around. Other clubs can't and refuse to even try and compete, they literally have a free pick of everyone.
City have bypassed them but they have bypassed everyone and they've only done so by spending money. They are getting the top talent around but they're just paying ridiculous fees to parents.
Everton have been hit by it ourselves as our top 11s player has just walked out on us and will end up at city in the next few weeks if he's not there already. They'll only have to pay a small development fee to us for him.
United lost 2 players at the same age last year cause city were rumoured to have paid there parents 40k each to let there 10 yr olds sign.
Liverpool lost a striker in September to city in that age group in the exact same way. The parents pulled him out saying he was moving out of town, Liverpool released him from his contract & he turns up at city a few weeks later, with rumours he's getting 1.5k per month.
Blackburn lost there best player in September, also to city, in a similar fashion.
Not many of these parents think city is the best place to develop, it's not, it's very structured training and more about developing teams to be the best in each category then developing individuals but parents can't refuse some of the money being bandied around. Other clubs can't and refuse to even try and compete, they literally have a free pick of everyone.
Great insight there @boris , didn't we lose a 16 year old to City last summer , think it was @Coffee and TV who mentioned it but can't remember the players name. City are also renowned for their private education for youngsters which they guarantee to a certain age even if the player doesn't make it.
We've got a home time v Brighton HA in the next round (last 8) of PL U21 cup, and while these games can be difficult to predict , BHA are bottom of Division 2 , the division below the one we play in.
We've got a home time v Brighton HA in the next round (last 8) of PL U21 cup, and while these games can be difficult to predict , BHA are bottom of Division 2 , the division below the one we play in.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
i mentioned that a player called ryan corrigan had left us for them. not sure if he was that highly thought of but they obviously took him for a reason.
Thanks, that's the player I was thinking of, I knew it was a "regular" who mentioned it but couldn't remember who.
That's right mate about the private education.
We send our kids to Wade Deacon, a normal school in Widnes, Liverpool send there to Rainfall High in St. Helens. Man City send there's to St. Bedes where they used to play there academy games, 30k per year to go there.
I am not too sure about the older kids, I only no in debth what's happening with the younger age groups but I'm still adamant that the individual is better suited being at United or Everton than City were there's more of a focus on developing them and not the team.
United literally don't care at all for results and if they had there way wouldn't even play competitive football, it's all about the needs of the individual.