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Everton Youth Teams Thread

Dowell is 18 and a 2nd year Scholar . Scholars are by school age as of 1st Sept, Internationals are of 1st Jan. So Dowell, Connoly , Walsh can all play for our u18s but are u19s at International level. Similarly , Holland and Davies are also 2nd year Scholars but at 17 can play International at u18.

No I don't think you've got him wrong. These youngsters all seem to have different strengths, maybe Dowell lacks the tenacity of a Walsh , goal poaching ability of Evans , drifts out of games at times but to my mind he's the one with the purest skills. His recent goals have attracted attention , but he scored another cracker with his left on his comeback from injury against Stoke for the u18s. I watched the Bayern v Juve extra time tonight . A young Bayern player ran onto the ball into space down the right, stopped moved inside and curled a lovely left foot shot into the far corner. My first thought was " Dowell can do that" , which was probably embarrassing over hype from me given I was watching two of the best teams in Europe in a CL tie. The goalscorer was a 19 year old called Kingsley Coman , on loan from Juve ( no I don't get how he played against them) has also played originally for PSG , long history of French u16-u21 internationals , one of the best young prospects in Europe so it really is a bit laughable from me to mention Dowell in that context . I tend to be cautious in my thinking of only playing youngsters when they are ready , particularly a defender who could get roasted in a PL match. But I'm now thinking we should stick Dowell into the squad sooner rather than later even if he's not quite ready. Give him a chance , even as a sub in the derby, give him Osmans bench spot and maybe we'll find out what he really has.

A good post and I thought I'd add my two pennies worth alongside it.

I have no idea why Walsh and Dowell haven't had international recognition. They have both been rated very highly for a number of years within Everton. However players like Yates and Holland have been quite widely capped. In the end it's about different opinions. I would always take a clubs view of a young player though as they see the players more often. I've always thought England squads at youth level can be a bit clingy and have got some coaches involved like Aidy Boothrood who are not the best judge. They will probably go and watch particular youth teams and pick heavily from geographic areas at particular times. At the moment there are always lots of Chelsea/City players in there, teams when I've watched we have regularly matched and for the most part out performed.

It is odd though, as there is little doubt if you were picking a right hand side of midfield player Dowell would be held in far higher esteem than Holland. But Holland does have different attributes and the England manager may value that (he is an orthodox winger).

Dowell has always been played well above himself. When I first saw him for the under 18's as an under 16's I was a bit "so what" about him. he was a slight lad and I always thought he was on the periphery of games. He also seemed to make less of an impact of games than say Donuhue who played up a couple of years like Dowell. This is where though, just watching the matches only gives you a small picture. What has emerged is that Dowell has developed physically a lot over the last 3 years, which has allowed the technical skills he has to come to the fore and the coaching staff at Everton could obviously see that. (Whereas Donuhue may have peaked a little earlier).

Dowell played very well in pre-season and linked up brilliantly with Barkley and Lukaku in particular. I think you are right to say he would be a good bench option. I thought his performance at Sunderland was very good. He is much stronger now and he glides past players in a way that reminds me of Ozil. he also has that vision and would lay on chances for Lukaku and Barkley which that vision.

The only question mark I ever had about Dowell was that he would be on the periphery of games. He now looks to be far more involved in games and was more central away at Sunderland.

Martinez clearly has a set plan for young players. With the exception of Browning (who at present is a moderate success) it has yet to really come to fruition. Over the next 18 months it will be crunch time for his approach as a number of potential young players reach maturity. His plan involves them getting x number of games at a league club, y number of sessions with the first team, z number of games from the bench before being ready to push for a start. It sounds a good idea, but there does have to be a flexibility if the system doesn't suit a particular player, or someone like Dowell is ready to go in without going on loan. If he is ready to play a part for the first team it doesn't make sense to go out on loan (as it didn't for Galloway).

I like him, I wouldn't say he is head and shoulders above Ledson, Walsh, Kenny or even Evans but I think he just suits what we need a little more. All of the above have first team players ahead of them in their preferred role doing a good job. Since the decline of Peinaar and Osman we have missed a clever player. I think Lukaku would benefit massively from Dowells intelligence and would make a lot of chances for him.

As regards the others you mention, particularly Evans I think he's a little more than just a poacher. His dribbling skills, physique and speed are very impressive.

As a general rule we shouldn't underestimate the players. The last half a dozen games at Under 21 we've been involved in have featured just 1 under 16 player from any team (a left back for Southampton). It puts into perspective how in the space of 2 years we had Kenny, Ledson, Dowell & Evans who all featured quite regularly as schoolboys. That was unusual and does point to talent there.
 
Could it be they're the type of technical players that English football has tended to undervalue throughout history?

Yes I think that's exactly it to be quite honest. You have Aidy Boothroyd in charge of one of the teams which I think sums it up. There was another fella in charge of another, Beck I think his name was back in the day, who used to manage a Cambridge side who were known to pioneer route 1 football.

Fortunately within the Everton academy we have a more cultured approach which differs from a lot of the other academies and team England.
 

So will it be just us and City who have our own academy stadiums? We must have a bit of money knocking around if this is one of the first things we do, considering the other stuff we'll obviously need to spend money on.
 
So will it be just us and City who have our own academy stadiums? We must have a bit of money knocking around if this is one of the first things we do, considering the other stuff we'll obviously need to spend money on.

There has been plans knocking around for ages for FF mate - my only concern is the level of investment into it when we don't even own it!! While its great news it would have been even better if it was our own!!

sorry slightly off topic - take that over to the Moshiri thread i guess.
 
There has been plans knocking around for ages for FF mate - my only concern is the level of investment into it when we don't even own it!! While its great news it would have been even better if it was our own!!

sorry slightly off topic - take that over to the Moshiri thread i guess.
Heard recently that the club themselves have recently purchased land around FF, anyone else heard similar?, so maybe they will eventually buy it back from the council.
 
There has been plans knocking around for ages for FF mate - my only concern is the level of investment into it when we don't even own it!! While its great news it would have been even better if it was our own!!

sorry slightly off topic - take that over to the Moshiri thread i guess.
True, I'll make my way over there.

On topic for this thread, it'll be great for the lads to have their own stadium instead of sharing a non-league one and I'd love it if it led to the games being televised when we played at home.
 

True, I'll make my way over there.

On topic for this thread, it'll be great for the lads to have their own stadium instead of sharing a non-league one and I'd love it if it led to the games being televised when we played at home.

Its great news - allows them to play in a stadium feel and hopefully will bring them on a little bit more. Wonder if Everton TV will take to showing all the games now with a purpose built stadium.
 
Its great news - allows them to play in a stadium feel and hopefully will bring them on a little bit more. Wonder if Everton TV will take to showing all the games now with a purpose built stadium.

Not sure. Some people have suggested they don't want to make it *that* easy for players to get scouted -- especially given how easy it can be to poach youth players.
 
good to see we're still thinking this way (regarding youth development) despite the difference in finances we now have. Of course, the reality is we will probably see less youngsters coming through to the first team because we have much more opportunity to go out and buy a ready made £15m+ first team player in their position. Why would you wait when you can get the result almost straight away. This particularly relates to dowell being given a first team role; when we were so heavily linked with players like shaqiri and yarmolenko this summer.

But that doesn't mean none of our youngsters will make it - hart has been city's no. 1 for years despite their mass financial backing.

I'm guessing this new development on finch farm is coinciding with what martinez said about keeping youth products on-site overnight?
 

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