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Everton Youth Teams Thread


I found this a very interesting article, probably even more so than Kenny's one. Kenny was a standout star for many years and as a 15-16 year old you knew you had a very special player.

Davies has come from left field. The two interesting bits of the piece for me were;
1) He has made advancements over the last 18 months. He was younger than other midfield stars and probably has taken a little longer. Walsh, Ledson & Williams are all 12-18 months older than him and he was in their shadows for a long time. He may well have overtaken them now.

2) He is an allrounder. Whenever I have described Davies I have spoken about his allround attributes and it's interesting that's how the coaches view him as well.
 
They get more money from going to Goodison through ticket sales than finch farm or Southport.
Indeed, though if I remember right FF has been/will be upgraded to play u21s so we wont need Southport.

Davies has come from left field. The two interesting bits of the piece for me were;
1) He has made advancements over the last 18 months. He was younger than other midfield stars and probably has taken a little longer. Walsh, Ledson & Williams are all 12-18 months older than him and he was in their shadows for a long time. He may well have overtaken them now.
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Yep, " from left field" is a good description. Last season he was "promising" and for England u17/18 he looked really good ,but no more outstanding comparatively than the way Ledson looked when captaining England and our u21s. In his full debut it gave him a chance to express himself knowing he had Barry and McCarthy around him, whereas for the u21s/England he has played more defensive MF than Central MF. You have to say he certainly took his chance, I wonder what would have happened if the 16 year old Ledson had come off the bench when in the PL squad 2 years ago. Thankfully in the article they didn't repeat "the answer to Everton's central midfield question for years to come" I saw in the Echo, as he's still only 17 and expectations need to be tempered , all be it he's got a bright future .
 
Indeed, though if I remember right FF has been/will be upgraded to play u21s so we wont need Southport.


Yep, " from left field" is a good description. Last season he was "promising" and for England u17/18 he looked really good ,but no more outstanding comparatively than the way Ledson looked when captaining England and our u21s. In his full debut it gave him a chance to express himself knowing he had Barry and McCarthy around him, whereas for the u21s/England he has played more defensive MF than Central MF. You have to say he certainly took his chance, I wonder what would have happened if the 16 year old Ledson had come off the bench when in the PL squad 2 years ago. Thankfully in the article they didn't repeat "the answer to Everton's central midfield question for years to come" I saw in the Echo, as he's still only 17 and expectations need to be tempered , all be it he's got a bright future .

In all honesty mate he looked a fair bit off were Ledson was at 16. In the England under 17's last season (around this time) I didn't think he looked markedly different to Yates & Holland. (I accept he really kicked on by the autumn for England). When you consider that Holland & Yates have hardly played for the under 21's I think it gives you a good indication of how much he's come on in the last year.

Ledson in comparison was captain of the team, younger than a lot of the lads in the team and captained an England team that won the competition. It will be very interesting to see what happens with him going forward. This is being blunt but he appears not to have kicked on as I thought he might. This may be because he has hit a stop or because he's been mismanaged. Alternatively it could all be part of a bigger masterplan (or I would say over complicating things) from Martinez.

Either which was if he is not involved in the first team squad next season there will be some questions asked. How has our leading central midfielder in his age group been overtaken. There has been nothing that has come out from Ledson that could be in any way critical. he has trained well gone out on loan and done ok etc. So definitely watch this space, as I'm not sure what's really happened there.

As for Davies I think you are correct. I don't see him best utilised as a Defensive player and I think he has thrived when he's been alongside Williams who has that discipline. He is a very fit lad and should be allowed to cover the ground in a number 8 role.
 
I'm not sure I like the idea of the U21s playing their matches at finch farm. It's seems a bit to "safe" to me. There comes a time when players need to be playing in front of a live crowd whether it be on loan or not.
 
I'm not sure I like the idea of the U21s playing their matches at finch farm. It's seems a bit to "safe" to me. There comes a time when players need to be playing in front of a live crowd whether it be on loan or not.
not much of a crowd at under 21's though mate.usually cost them more to open it for the night than they would take at the gate.
 

I agree been watching the U21s/reserves for years and crowds have steadily declined but that can be a marketing thing as well. We had a decent crowd against Leicester at home because it was advertised 2weeks before the game that it was at Goodison. Normally trying to get the venue from the club is like pulling teeth.
 
I agree been watching the U21s/reserves for years and crowds have steadily declined but that can be a marketing thing as well. We had a decent crowd against Leicester at home because it was advertised 2weeks before the game that it was at Goodison. Normally trying to get the venue from the club is like pulling teeth.
Hopefully with the new owners we might see at least longer highlights on the everton site if not full games.if everton cant be arsed about the games hard to get the local fans arsed about going.
 
In all honesty mate he looked a fair bit off were Ledson was at 16. In the England under 17's last season (around this time) I didn't think he looked markedly different to Yates & Holland. (I accept he really kicked on by the autumn for England). When you consider that Holland & Yates have hardly played for the under 21's I think it gives you a good indication of how much he's come on in the last year.

Ledson in comparison was captain of the team, younger than a lot of the lads in the team and captained an England team that won the competition. It will be very interesting to see what happens with him going forward. This is being blunt but he appears not to have kicked on as I thought he might. This may be because he has hit a stop or because he's been mismanaged. Alternatively it could all be part of a bigger masterplan (or I would say over complicating things) from Martinez.

Either which was if he is not involved in the first team squad next season there will be some questions asked. How has our leading central midfielder in his age group been overtaken. There has been nothing that has come out from Ledson that could be in any way critical. he has trained well gone out on loan and done ok etc. So definitely watch this space, as I'm not sure what's really happened there.

As for Davies I think you are correct. I don't see him best utilised as a Defensive player and I think he has thrived when he's been alongside Williams who has that discipline. He is a very fit lad and should be allowed to cover the ground in a number 8 role.


Although Davies may have had a massive step up in 18months it doesnt mean Ledson will not make it if hes stagnated as he himself is still very young.

Interesting to see you would prefer davies as a 8 rather than a DM. Both very important positions, look at Niguez and Busquets when they play at 6....
 
It will be very interesting to see what happens with him going forward. This is being blunt but he appears not to have kicked on as I thought he might. This may be because he has hit a stop or because he's been mismanaged. Alternatively it could all be part of a bigger masterplan (or I would say over complicating things) from Martinez.

Either which was if he is not involved in the first team squad next season there will be some questions asked. How has our leading central midfielder in his age group been overtaken. There has been nothing that has come out from Ledson that could be in any way critical. he has trained well gone out on loan and done ok etc. So definitely watch this space, as I'm not sure what's really happened there.

Yeah there was bewilderment as to what happened with Ledson early on in the season, he seemed to lose favour at Everton which meant he lost his England place too. A tough experience for an 18 year old , but a few months later he appeared to be back and scrapping away for us and England. Going on the games he played, it looked like he did ok at Cambridge, and I'm inclined (as an Evertonian!) to dismiss their fan's criticism about him trying to hit 40 yard passes to nowhere. He did that ok for England last November with talented youngsters on the same wavelength as him as opposed perhaps to League 2 guys not having his vision to gett on the end of passes. (Maybe harsh there) His next task will be to cement his place in the forthcoming England u19s games and for the EURO tournament in July, competing against 4 other mid fielders who have had PL exposure at some time. That'll tell us a bit more .
 

Yeah there was bewilderment as to what happened with Ledson early on in the season, he seemed to lose favour at Everton which meant he lost his England place too. A tough experience for an 18 year old , but a few months later he appeared to be back and scrapping away for us and England. Going on the games he played, it looked like he did ok at Cambridge, and I'm inclined (as an Evertonian!) to dismiss their fan's criticism about him trying to hit 40 yard passes to nowhere. He did that ok for England last November with talented youngsters on the same wavelength as him as opposed perhaps to League 2 guys not having his vision to gett on the end of passes. (Maybe harsh there) His next task will be to cement his place in the forthcoming England u19s games and for the EURO tournament in July, competing against 4 other mid fielders who have had PL exposure at some time. That'll tell us a bit more .

I’ll be honest I had noticed a number of little things happening over the last couple of years. You obviously don’t want to comment on them as it would be very unfair on a young player and most importantly each of them can be explained on their own, but taken as a whole it gives an interesting picture.

In many ways it would have led to me saying “Ledson’s lost his way” but to be absolutely fair to the lad there has not been a suggestion of that anywhere from anyone involved. That’s why the whole thing is quite confusing.

When you consider you had a lad two years ago as a 16 year old on the bench and supposedly involved in the next game. He played a Europa league game and did ok in that and after that we haven’t seen him.

You factor that in with a few things with the under 21’s. He wasn’t captain (Kenny was, when Ledson had always captained that age group). There was a time when he wasn’t involved in the under 21’s even when he was fit. I’m surprised he wasn’t first name on the team sheet really.

I remember the academy awards last year and again Ledson didn’t pick up an award. I probably concluded Unsworth maybe doesn’t fancy him as much and given he recalled Kenny to the first team squad and not Ledson last weekend that kind of fits in.

As with all these things there could be a million and one explanations. I’ve watched young players enough though to know that he should have probably been a bit closer to the first team and been capable of playing for the under 21’s when he was here (he’d been an under 21’s regular since he was 16!).

I’m not drawing any conclusions yet. I’m going to see what happens for next season. There is every chance he has been a bit caught up in Martinez’s methods which over time have looked increasingly abstract - that you have to have X amount of milestones before you are ready to play for the first team (training sessions, competitive appearances, under 21 appearances etc). I think the emergence of Dowell & Davies has rather shown that theory up.

That is the alternative though. We have seen Martinez was quite stubborn and there is a chance that they just didn’t quite know what to do with Ledson.

I agree with everything you say about his time at Cambridge. His manager spoke very well of him. The majority of the criticism was because of his rangey passing (like how a young Steven Gerrard played) and he was at times inconsistent which is fair. In many ways performance isn’t that critical at that level, just getting minutes is. Ironing out mistakes in your game etc. Green scored a couple of stunning goals for Tranmere but it wasn’t a successful loan.

I am confused as to what’s happens with Ledson though. I’m sure if he ends up in the first team next season it will be brushed aside and people will defend the masterplan but I do think bits of the last 18 months haven’t added up to me. I hope he gets a chance next season, having seen him play for the under 18's as a 14 year old all the way through he has the type of character that we need at Everton.
 
Although Davies may have had a massive step up in 18months it doesnt mean Ledson will not make it if hes stagnated as he himself is still very young.

Interesting to see you would prefer davies as a 8 rather than a DM. Both very important positions, look at Niguez and Busquets when they play at 6....

There are definitely some very talented deep lying midfielders. I am not sure we will be at the level where we can sacrifice more defensive skills in that role, or not utilise people's attacking abilities better.

In England I don't see Davies just sitting in front of the back 2. Unlike Spain I think a lot of the role is dependant on getting blocks and tackles in and also fighting for second balls. Your positional play gets challenged more because of fast counters. Pressure on the ball tends to be a bit higher so you don't get the time to play as say a Pirlo would.

I also think one of Davies's strengths is his fitness. We would lose a lot of that if we had him patrolling the back 4. In the under 21's Williams does this much more the Davies. I see him being the lad (as I've said before) the player who we want Barkley to be. Running the game from a number 8 position.
 
Obviously the manager situation is the first thing to sort out but do any of you see any of the U21's in the first team or even the starting XI come the first game of the season?

It's a very hard question and you are right to say it depends on the manager. On the one hand you have Unsworth and you could easily see 6 or 7 starting and at the other end you probably have a Pellegrini who I'd be surprised if any played. Within that you have managers like De Boer who are more geared towards younger players.

Like when Martinez started I think he will not only take guidance from his coaches but also have a look at the young players himself. With it being an international season lots of players will be back late. So some young players will certainly get a chance. I remember Martinez playing Grant & Browning who were really left field. Neither probably grasped the chance, though John Stones did alongside Barkley.

I think Dowell may well be in the first 11. Davies and Pennington/Galloway probably have an outside chance depending on fitness.
 

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