Everton Youth Teams Thread

We already have existing senior centre mids and Davies. Plus Walsh, Williams and Baningime. Bring him back to play him where exactly?
 

Eggs said:
...yep, it's a bit of a mystery why it all appeared to fall apart. All of a sudden he wasn't getting game time and there were no reports of injury. He appears the perfect professional but perhaps he had a falling out. You normally hear rumours but there was nothing re Ledson.

I don't know for sure about a sell on clause but I think we had one with Adam Foreshaw so I expect we also have it with Ledson and the likes. I think a sell on as opposed to buy back is most likely.
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Lets hope his next move is to Chelsea for £50m then:)
 
Nymzee said:
We already have existing senior centre mids and Davies. Plus Walsh, Williams and Baningime. Bring him back to play him where exactly?
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The thing about Ledson mate, that made him stand out of the crowd, were his qualities. They were all to do with the mental side of the game. He had a fantastic attitude, a winner and a leader. Hate to say it but he was the nearest thing I saw in a kid to Graham Souness. He had that edge to him too. You must have seen that tackle in the mini derby. But, like Souness, he could play too. Had a great passing range on him.

These are qualities that, provided he stayed focused, you would expect to reward him with top level football. I'd have put a buyback clause onto his contract for that reason. You don't have to invoke it. But I wouldn't be surprised if he became a top player for somebody in 3/4 years time. If he does, and it isn't us, can you imagine the fume on here.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
The thing about Ledson mate, that made him stand out of the crowd, were his qualities. They were all to do with the mental side of the game. He had a fantastic attitude, a winner and a leader. Hate to say it but he was the nearest thing I saw in a kid to Graham Souness. He had that edge to him too. You must have seen that tackle in the mini derby. But, like Souness, he could play too. Had a great passing range on him.

These are qualities that, provided he stayed focused, you would expect to reward him with top level football. I'd have put a buyback clause onto his contract for that reason. You don't have to invoke it. But I wouldn't be surprised if he became a top player for somebody in 3/4 years time. If he does, and it isn't us, can you imagine the fume on here.
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Yeh I'm not saying I wouldn't want him, I was annoyed he left, just saying right now it wouldn't even be appealing for him. It's such a full position he'd have to come in and SERIOUSLY impress to get a game. I mean look how Walsh runs games and he's not even making any first team squads.
 

Nymzee said:
Yeh I'm not saying I wouldn't want him, I was annoyed he left, just saying right now it wouldn't even be appealing for him. It's such a full position he'd have to come in and SERIOUSLY impress to get a game. I mean look how Walsh runs games and he's not even making any first team squads.
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Embarrassment of riches really. In centre midfield ffs. Who'd have thought that 4 years ago when we were playing Neville and Heitinga there. :)We've also got Beni coming through behind Walsh and he's like mini Gana. I just get the feeling that Ledson is like a John Terry like player. A real warrior and winner.

As you say, we can't play them all.
 
Sennott Street said:
Like an Everton reunion this. Chris Long is on for Bolton.
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Using our recent past, Chris Long has been the standard I've judged our U23s strikers like Dyson, Duffus and Henen. I remember him scoring a goal for Brentford, maybe 2 years ago , going sideways across the box and just struck it cleanly and very early into the net . What was impressive is that he said in an earlier interview that that was a part if his game he worked on , shooting early. Also an England U20s, did reasonably well in the Championship but never looked good enough to break into our PL squad. My reasoning has been if Long couldn't make it Dyson, Duffus, Henen unlikely to make it with us, none have shown themselves to be substantially better than him.
 

Barnfred 55 said:
The thing about Ledson mate, that made him stand out of the crowd, were his qualities. They were all to do with the mental side of the game. He had a fantastic attitude, a winner and a leader. Hate to say it but he was the nearest thing I saw in a kid to Graham Souness. He had that edge to him too. You must have seen that tackle in the mini derby. But, like Souness, he could play too. Had a great passing range on him.

These are qualities that, provided he stayed focused, you would expect to reward him with top level football. I'd have put a buyback clause onto his contract for that reason. You don't have to invoke it. But I wouldn't be surprised if he became a top player for somebody in 3/4 years time. If he does, and it isn't us, can you imagine the fume on here.
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I never got to see Souness play properly but there was more than a bit of a young Gerrard in him, a defensive midfielder who could tackle and pass. When they said Gerrard went into training and snapped Ince and Redknapp before telling them he wanted their place I saw similar in Ledson. Same sort of physique as well. Gerrard obviously developed his game beyond that but huge similarity.

I hope we have some clauses in the deal.
 
blueloon said:
Wow thought these were amazing stats from twitter.


Archie Rhind-Tutt‏ @archiert1Between them, England U21 squad have 206 Premier League appearances overall. Germany U21 squad has 1,137 (!) Bundesliga appearances overall
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I did a post last November mate along these lines. The thread is closed now so I don't know how to link it, but we had just given the Germans a hammering at a younger age group, think it was U17s. I was making a point about why, at these younger age groups, we have a very good record against the Germans, but this is turned on it's head by the time they get to U21 level.

My conclusion was that the German clubs give their young players an opportunity at the top level in the Bundesliga (many of them at top clubs too), whereas Premier league clubs, on the whole, don't. I didn't have these stats available to me. I simply looked up the individual records of the players from their U21 squad. So these stats are very interesting and not in the least surprising to me.

There was an argument to say that England tend to promote talented youth to the full team very early, so they wouldn't actually feature much for the U21s. But looking at the German squad for today's games, they have just as many U21 qualifiers in their line up as we do. So we can't even use that argument either.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I did a post last November mate along these lines. The thread is closed now so I don't know how to link it, but we had just given the Germans a hammering at a younger age group, think it was U17s. I was making a point about why, at these younger age groups, we have a very good record against the Germans, but this is turned on it's head by the time they get to U21 level.

My conclusion was that the German clubs give their young players an opportunity at the top level in the Bundesliga (many of them at top clubs too), whereas Premier league clubs, on the whole, don't. I didn't have these stats available to me. I simply looked up the individual records of the players from their U21 squad. So these stats are very interesting and not in the least surprising to me.

There was an argument to say that England tend to promote talented youth to the full team very early, so they wouldn't actually feature much for the U21s. But looking at the German squad for today's games, they have just as many U21 qualifiers in their line up as we do. So we can't even use that argument either.
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Surely the biggest factor in the different numbers is the overwhelming number of foreign players in the PL. Never mind getting in the England u21s, most kids can't even get into their club sides.
 

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