The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
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Farhad Moshiri
- Thread starter GrandOldTeam
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I am passionate about everything I do and say - no passion, not worth doing or saying.
The things that 99.99% of people don't know about that a few do...
We tried and failed to get certain managers and DoF. Managers that were not even picked up by the media!
The hard truth is that we are struggling to get the big names we wanted. The stadium IS in the works too.
Mr Moshiri isn't going to go public with most of his dealings though to appease the few crazies already calling for his head. Why should he?
Indeed, why should he, the ST sales are locked in for 12months, the desire for away tickets has never been higher, theres no need to say a thing.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
...I agree, we can discuss to our hearts content but only time will tell if we have the type of investment that allows us to compete with better clubs and progress to the next level.
Nevertheless, it is a path we have all felt the club was taking, especially with the recent history of decline, so no, not so far fetched as you suggest. My hope is that the new ownership will offer more than a shiny facade covering the broken beneath. Yes, the paint-over of Goodison is the perfect metaphor for all this, only in the case of Moshiri, we are not allowed to see what is really going on inside.
everton2004
Player Valuation: £35m
"We still loan players" - Last minute desperation to bolster the striker department after the transfer ballsup.
"We still take loans" - As do a lot of clubs
"We still have debts" - Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.
"We are still at Goodison" - lol
As for Moshiri's actions that have impressed me. Well the main one would be jibbiing El Fraudo and bringing in Koeman - his primary target. Bringing in Walsh was another piece of good business. The makeover of Goodison is also a sign of intent - raising the image of the ground and the club while the plans for the new stadium are in progress. It's a gradual transformation of Everton as a football club and the way it is run.
Just think what we could have been looking at without Moshiri:
El Fraudo would most likely still be in charge.
Lukaku would also have been sold (it was persuasion from Moshiri/Ryazanstev that changed his mind)
There would be no discussion of a new stadium
The only makeover that would be going on at Goodison would be another Mural.
I think the issue is that some expected far too much to happen far too soon.
I currently view the retention of Lukaku as a negative, for the record.
The trampoline shinned utter weapon.
I do find it saddening that a few posters have taken to attack Bill in order to try and paint Toshiri in a positive light, sickens me to the stomach.
The trampoline shinned utter weapon.
I do find it saddening that a few posters have taken to attack Bill in order to try and paint Toshiri in a positive light, sickens me to the stomach.
Think 90% of the flack could be addressed with a better PR team. They're not good.
They're bad. So bad. Diabolical even. One could argue (and one will argue) that the vast majority of the Everton supporters distrust with both the past and current ownership regimes boil down to utterly terrible public relations.
Currently the debate rages on whether anything has changed behind the scenes at Everton. Indeed, there is very little in the public record that suggests the change in ownership has done much at all for the club. Some new cladding. An old manager gone a new, hopefully better, manager arrives. A Director of Football...or scout, or something, from the champions. Those are the high points. The low point? Probably that text to Jim White from our new overlord. I'm an optimist. I believe that it doesn't make sense for the man to be here unless he plans to grow us on the pitch and off of it. But the evidence is a bit sparse, we had a howler of a transfer window, and there is nothing from the club except an embarrassing text from the new owner to Jim White (who'd I'd love to throw some invective at, but as an American I know nothing of and can't hold any opinion).
The truth is that we shouldn't be in the state. Whether the failure of the window was by design or the complete disaster that it appears to be at first glance, we as fans should have no question in our minds the intent of the owner and the direction of the club. Yet we do. As we have for the entirety of the 21st century. That's because our club does a terrible job communicating with the fans and making us feel included regarding the first team. What's truly stunning about this failure is that the club does such a wonderful job actively engaging the community regarding off the field exercises. And in the good times it gives us all something to be proud of, but in these slightly darker days it's little consolation to the fears that our new owner is not the white knight we hoped for. Meet the new boss...
Or at least that's the fear. But it certainly shouldn't be anywhere near the forefront of our minds just 6 months after the takeover and all the positive noises surrounding the new man. The fault there lies with the club's public relations department...if we even have one. We get stone silence regarding anything from the club until it's long happened. Moshiri's text should have been immediately actioned by a good PR team. Ideally to prevent it from ever happening, but at least to do some damage limitation.
I'm no PR man, but it seems insane to me that a business so public facing, with so much interest fails to engage that interest and, while saying nothing, create the illusion (or reality) that we aren't a two-bit operation where our success and failure depends on stalwarts of the old regime. It has been floated that the old regime only made appearances later in the window, but no one has any degree of certainty what is going on at Everton. We have a season ticket pitch, a short interview, and a letter in a program to go off of. And now texts to Jim White. There is nearly nothing coming from the club that Moshiri is really involved at all. Obviously he is...but to what degree? Nearly everything we get is heresy. The club itself remains gormlessly silent on anything important...and they do a poor job of distraction if that's the goal.
It's nonsensical. There is plenty to be optimistic about right now. The squad appears to be better, and certainly is fitter, than the last two seasons. Martinez's philosophy has been replaced by a much more pragmatic (some may say British) style that, while retaining verve and style, is predicated on picking up points and winning football matches. Regardless of the new stadium and whether dressing up Goodison is a permanent step, it's something that was badly needed. The Grand Old Lady was looking particularly like an Old lady for the past few years. We at least appeared to try and be active in the transfer market. I posit that if the club had been engaging the fans more, and selling the support on the new regime, we'd not be filled quite so much with overwhelming dread. The dread stems largely from the fact that this is a repeated pattern. Standoffishness is Kenwright's Everton, and Moshiri does not seem to have addressed that in the slightest.
For myself, the lack of any front facing change is the most worrying aspect of this takeover. Surely a businessman of Moshiri's seemingly considerable ability should have immediately seen the Everton support for what it is - a group that is desperate for change. Very few Evertonians are satisfied with Kenwright's Everton, even if they have resigned themselves to it. Even the 'happy clappers' wish that we had more money, were able to compete at the highest level, and were playing in the late stages of the Champions League early - they just don't blame Bill for being relatively poor, and are more conservative when it comes to change. Better Bill Kenwright and a steady ship than Randy Lerner killing the club, after all. But every Evertonian wants us to progress and change from the limbo-like state we've been in for 20 years. The continuity at the board level may be something that Moshiri needs in his primordial days as majority shareholder, but it's not what Evertonians want to see. And that would normally necessitate proactive engagement from a public relations team. Yet nothing has happened.
Actions speak louder than words, the old saying goes - and it may even be true in Liverpool (though I'd argue it in most places, Liverpool seems an especially down to earth place). But words still speak. And when the actions are going against you, it's a naive business that does not attempt to frame the narrative. This summer went against us. And we hear nothing. Is it surprising that people begin to wonder? Shouldn't we?
They're bad. So bad. Diabolical even. One could argue (and one will argue) that the vast majority of the Everton supporters distrust with both the past and current ownership regimes boil down to utterly terrible public relations.
Currently the debate rages on whether anything has changed behind the scenes at Everton. Indeed, there is very little in the public record that suggests the change in ownership has done much at all for the club. Some new cladding. An old manager gone a new, hopefully better, manager arrives. A Director of Football...or scout, or something, from the champions. Those are the high points. The low point? Probably that text to Jim White from our new overlord. I'm an optimist. I believe that it doesn't make sense for the man to be here unless he plans to grow us on the pitch and off of it. But the evidence is a bit sparse, we had a howler of a transfer window, and there is nothing from the club except an embarrassing text from the new owner to Jim White (who'd I'd love to throw some invective at, but as an American I know nothing of and can't hold any opinion).
The truth is that we shouldn't be in the state. Whether the failure of the window was by design or the complete disaster that it appears to be at first glance, we as fans should have no question in our minds the intent of the owner and the direction of the club. Yet we do. As we have for the entirety of the 21st century. That's because our club does a terrible job communicating with the fans and making us feel included regarding the first team. What's truly stunning about this failure is that the club does such a wonderful job actively engaging the community regarding off the field exercises. And in the good times it gives us all something to be proud of, but in these slightly darker days it's little consolation to the fears that our new owner is not the white knight we hoped for. Meet the new boss...
Or at least that's the fear. But it certainly shouldn't be anywhere near the forefront of our minds just 6 months after the takeover and all the positive noises surrounding the new man. The fault there lies with the club's public relations department...if we even have one. We get stone silence regarding anything from the club until it's long happened. Moshiri's text should have been immediately actioned by a good PR team. Ideally to prevent it from ever happening, but at least to do some damage limitation.
I'm no PR man, but it seems insane to me that a business so public facing, with so much interest fails to engage that interest and, while saying nothing, create the illusion (or reality) that we aren't a two-bit operation where our success and failure depends on stalwarts of the old regime. It has been floated that the old regime only made appearances later in the window, but no one has any degree of certainty what is going on at Everton. We have a season ticket pitch, a short interview, and a letter in a program to go off of. And now texts to Jim White. There is nearly nothing coming from the club that Moshiri is really involved at all. Obviously he is...but to what degree? Nearly everything we get is heresy. The club itself remains gormlessly silent on anything important...and they do a poor job of distraction if that's the goal.
It's nonsensical. There is plenty to be optimistic about right now. The squad appears to be better, and certainly is fitter, than the last two seasons. Martinez's philosophy has been replaced by a much more pragmatic (some may say British) style that, while retaining verve and style, is predicated on picking up points and winning football matches. Regardless of the new stadium and whether dressing up Goodison is a permanent step, it's something that was badly needed. The Grand Old Lady was looking particularly like an Old lady for the past few years. We at least appeared to try and be active in the transfer market. I posit that if the club had been engaging the fans more, and selling the support on the new regime, we'd not be filled quite so much with overwhelming dread. The dread stems largely from the fact that this is a repeated pattern. Standoffishness is Kenwright's Everton, and Moshiri does not seem to have addressed that in the slightest.
For myself, the lack of any front facing change is the most worrying aspect of this takeover. Surely a businessman of Moshiri's seemingly considerable ability should have immediately seen the Everton support for what it is - a group that is desperate for change. Very few Evertonians are satisfied with Kenwright's Everton, even if they have resigned themselves to it. Even the 'happy clappers' wish that we had more money, were able to compete at the highest level, and were playing in the late stages of the Champions League early - they just don't blame Bill for being relatively poor, and are more conservative when it comes to change. Better Bill Kenwright and a steady ship than Randy Lerner killing the club, after all. But every Evertonian wants us to progress and change from the limbo-like state we've been in for 20 years. The continuity at the board level may be something that Moshiri needs in his primordial days as majority shareholder, but it's not what Evertonians want to see. And that would normally necessitate proactive engagement from a public relations team. Yet nothing has happened.
Actions speak louder than words, the old saying goes - and it may even be true in Liverpool (though I'd argue it in most places, Liverpool seems an especially down to earth place). But words still speak. And when the actions are going against you, it's a naive business that does not attempt to frame the narrative. This summer went against us. And we hear nothing. Is it surprising that people begin to wonder? Shouldn't we?
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
Hear hear.
The counter to this. It's like saying:
Today I'm going to get out of bed. Head to work. Waste time. Make absolutely no money. Come home. Lay about. Go to bed.
The definition of mediocrity.
Your passioned arguments are simply about wanting - excellence - for EFC
Frank Gallagher
Player Valuation: £50m
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
The day I listen to you over my own good sense is the day I die.
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
NEA.
Toffeeslam
Player Valuation: £35m
Fair enough then mate i concur
lets just give him time to push the club forward and then judge him as lets face it its not going to happen overnight and not a single transfer window.
Personally I will judge him on delivering a world class stadium for the club as that's where we will be for the next 50+ years so has to get it right.
That will take time so lets afford him that and if he fails I would be there with my pitch fork too.