Farhad Moshiri

[Kever10]

Mate that first season was pretty good, we were unlucky to not get 4th but 5th was fair enough and the footy was great but the following two were absolutely terrible as well. He gets a lot of praise off many for that season but as a whole his tenure was shocking.

I wish that were true, but it's not. Most people give him all the stick for the last 2 but diminish his accomplishments by crediting the bulk of his achievements to Moyes amazing squad that he inherited, and how defensively organised they were.

If people were a bit more fair and even handed about it now, I wouldn't have to keep defending him. If they were more even handed about it back then, we might not have been as bad, because honestly, the overwhelming negativity and vitriol was a huge factor in our downfall.

He was not perfect, by any means, and he often didn't do himself any favours. But he was criticised for being positive, something Carlo is also a master at. The bottom line is, people didn't like him because he came from Wigan and they made it known early, loudly and regularly. They were just waiting for him to slip up. Some of those same people have the same negative opinions of Carlo, but have to bite their tongue a little more because of his pedigree.

All I ask is that people acknowledge the achievements and be a little more fair in how he is remembered.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Do you think Ancelotti could have got 72 points out of Moyes' Dad's Army?

No chance.

Is that the moyes

Do you think Ancelotti could have got 72 points out of Moyes' Dad's Army?

No chance.

is that the moyes team that got 63 points the season before. Add in lukaku and Barkley breaking through.

Not sure what happened the following season. I’m sure you will have a good excuse though

 

[LEONARD]

I wish we had a Zimbabwean investor on board.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I wish that were true, but it's not. Most people give him all the stick for the last 2 but diminish his accomplishments by crediting the bulk of his achievements to Moyes amazing squad that he inherited, and how defensively organised they were.

If people were a bit more fair and even handed about it now, I wouldn't have to keep defending him. If they were more even handed about it back then, we might not have been as bad, because honestly, the overwhelming negativity and vitriol was a huge factor in our downfall.

He was not perfect, by any means, and he often didn't do himself any favours. But he was criticised for being positive, something Carlo is also a master at. The bottom line is, people didn't like him because he came from Wigan and they made it known early, loudly and regularly. They were just waiting for him to slip up. Some of those same people have the same negative opinions of Carlo, but have to bite their tongue a little more because of his pedigree.

All I ask is that people acknowledge the achievements and be a little more fair in how he is remembered.

His achievements are connected to that Moyes team just given a fresh new outlook because that is what it was. The back four were decent and well drilled. Martinez had the opportunity to kick on and stamp his mark on that side but it gradually got worse and worse. I'd have given him more credit if we got say 60 points in the first season and 70 in the second. That shows progression, we got the opposite.

 

[MikeH72]

Moshiri was correct to sack Roberto Martinez.

 

[PSB1]

Moshiri was correct to shoot Roberto Martinez.

Hear hear!

 

[urquattro]

There was a swagger about that team for a bit in Roberto's first season culminating in Seamus doing keepy uppys while running down the touchline V Arsenal and Rom scoring a cracker after Roberto kept telling him to come wide on the right and bully Bellerin I think it was. Great match.

 

[maccavennie]

The myth of the squad Moyes left us. This continues to get bandied about. It had served us well, no question, but in a "nearly there" kind of way. Its not like it was an all conquering team of champions. Also, it was overdue an expensive rebuild and a good proportion of the squad had retired or as good as within 3 years of him leaving. Most of the rest had barely played for the team, if at all. And with little or no money, anyone of any real value would need to be sold to help the inevitable rebuild. That's the just the way it was.

The squad we had was nowhere near as deep as some would have you believe, and most managers would've gone nowhere near it, especially with the promise of zero funds to rebuild without selling. Which is precisely why Moyes walked and precisely why we went for Martinez.

What he got out of the squad the following season with an under spend is nothing short of miraculous, and he deserves far more credit than he has ever been afforded by a largely ungrateful and deluded fan base.

Tim Howard	Past his best
Tony Hibbert	Retired 2016
Leighton Baines	Retired 2020
John Heitinga	Retired 2016
Phil Jagielka	Past his best
Bryan Oviedo
Sylvain Distin	Retired 2016
Séamus Coleman
John Stones	Never played
Shane Duffy	Barely played
Tyias Browning	Never played
Jake Bidwell	Never played
Luke Garbutt	Never played
Darron Gibson	Past his best
Kevin Mirallas
Steven Naismith
Magaye Gueye	Secret weapon
Ross Barkley	Barely played
Leon Osman	Retired 2016
Steven Pienaar	Retired 2017
Marouane Fellaini
Francisco Júnior	Never played
Matthew Kennedy	Never played
Nikica Jelavić	Retired 2020
Apostolos Vellios
Victor Anichebe
Conor McAleny	Barely played

Added to that, we also had Tomas Hitzlesperger and Phil Neville who retired that summer and Jan Much who left on a free at the end of his short term contract. THAT is the squad Moyes left us with.

So forget asking if Martinez is better than Ancelotti. He's not, never has been.

Instead, ask yourself if Ancelotti wouldve even looked twice at us in 2013 and be grateful that through a strange turn of events, we have ended up with him now.

But people really do need to cut Martinez some slack. He had his flaws, but he was nowhere near as bad as he has been made out to be in the memories of some.

He had nice brown shoes and that's how I'll remember him.

He undid all the goodwill he had earned by two absolute disastrous league campaigns.

 

[davek]

Is that the moyes

is that the moyes team that got 63 points the season before. Add in lukaku and Barkley breaking through.

Not sure what happened the following season. I’m sure you will have a good excuse though

lol

 

[FinnTrikker]

Remember his last few games,Sunderland and big Sam could of hit double figures,and then Leicester who had been on a week long bender after winning the League and hadn't trained all week hammering us....
Any supporter of euthanasia would of put him out of his misery...

 

[Groucho]

The last time I was excited to see an Everton team take to the pitch was under Martinez. I respect Ancelotti and he's clearly a better manager than RM. But I find how we play under him a bit dull.

I got bored getting stuffed with Martinez though.

And not knowing if we were going to play brilliantly but lose 6-3.

 

[Goat]

Best thing The Mosh did was sack that Catalan Clown.

 

[AndyC]

What are the chances of this thread getting back on topic ?

 

[Goat]

What are the chances of this thread getting back on topic ?

7.30 tomorrow it should be RIGHT on topic.

 

[4737carlin]

Too drilled. He had to relax them and persuade them they could play.

Yes, it crumbled from the middle of season two, but I admire what he tried to achieve here. With £200M to spend he'd have done a lot better than Koeman, Silva and possibly Ancelotti.

To be fair if we dont come 5th or win the cup you are right in one way, that season will of been better then this and Martinez will have done a better job.

There is a good chance we go out tomorrow, if so and we end up 6th in the league this hasnt been a good season.