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Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

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Again, all this money laundering talk is utter, utter nonsense.

The only thing you can clean up in sports is your PERSONAL reputation. (eg, Qatar, UAE, KSA)

USM and all it's subsidiaries is a legitimate business operating all over the world. They can (or could, pre Ukraine) funnel money anywhere if they needed to.

Personal wealth? Plenty of countries take money with no questions asked. I myself have had clients who want to pay literal holdalls of money that we cannot accept. Instead, we take them to the bank, the manager goes through the process of "oh no we can't accept that" before calling 20 minutes later to say "we'll accept it for 3%" (an incredible deal for the person wanting to spend the cash btw.... No money laundering scheme gives a 97% return)

Everybody is happy. I get the deal done, client buys what he wants, bank makes easy money.

Countries are 'graded' for compliance in anti money laundering measures. It's a nice thing to shout about, but who gives a toss, really?

Countries that have remained neutral over Ukraine and refused any kind of sanctions are taking that stance because they welcome the Russian money coming in. For example, the latest property spike in Dubai is almost entirely driven by Russian investors who find it difficult to spend anywhere else.

I suspect the vast majority of money going into Everton was Usmanovs as opposed to Moshiris. He wasn't doing it to 'wash' the money that in the eyes if the law was already legitimate, it was a [Poor language removed] swinging exersize. Some people collect watches, some people collect supercars, some of his friends have megayachts..... Very few of them own a world famous sports team.

That's all Everton is/was.... Bragging rights. It's gone wrong (spectacularly) but it's NOT money laundering. Ffs.
 
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I suspect the vast majority of money going into Everton was Usmanovs as opposed to Moshiris. He wasn't doing it to 'wash' the money that in the eyes if the law was already legitimate, it was a [Poor language removed] swinging exersize. Some people collect watches, some people collect supercars, some of his friends have megayachts..... Very few of them own a world famous sports team.

That's all Everton is/was.... Bragging rights. It's gone wrong (spectacularly) but it's NOT money laundering. Ffs.

I'd agree with this to a degree, except that he always denied any involvement other than being a sponsor, whereas he was upfront about his wanting to take over Arsenal. Sure at the beginning when Moshiri took over, Usmanov was still an Arsenal shareholder, so he couldn't admit involvement then, but he's sold those Arsenal shares years before Ukraine kicked off but he still stayed hands off from us. Pretty hard to have bragging rights over something you're only the sponsor of, and almost certainly significantly less prestigious in his russian peers view that "his" team wouldn't be based out of London where all the russians hung out.

If anything, for me we were his almost secret attempt to play football manager to see how it would work out with possibly the side effort of giving exposure and work experience to his nephews. Its been a disaster, but at least to himself he's scratched that itch now.
 
I'd agree with this to a degree, except that he always denied any involvement other than being a sponsor, whereas he was upfront about his wanting to take over Arsenal. Sure at the beginning when Moshiri took over, Usmanov was still an Arsenal shareholder, so he couldn't admit involvement then, but he's sold those Arsenal shares years before Ukraine kicked off but he still stayed hands off from us. Pretty hard to have bragging rights over something you're only the sponsor of, and almost certainly significantly less prestigious in his russian peers view that "his" team wouldn't be based out of London where all the russians hung out.

If anything, for me we were his almost secret attempt to play football manager to see how it would work out with possibly the side effort of giving exposure and work experience to his nephews. Its been a disaster, but at least to himself he's scratched that itch now.
You may well be right, it's only a suspicion.

We know that Moshiri is a bit of a loon, but would he really keep throwing his money in like he has? I mean, yeah.... He fabulously wealthy, but the amount he's spent to go backwards has me doubting.

I get the Forbes lists generally undervalue personal wealth, but if you base his spend on those figures he's spent around half of his money on Everton. Madness.

If his mate was spending it's less than a tenth. That's a really bad night at the casino in relative terms.
 
You may well be right, it's only a suspicion.

We know that Moshiri is a bit of a loon, but would he really keep throwing his money in like he has? I mean, yeah.... He fabulously wealthy, but the amount he's spent to go backwards has me doubting.

I get the Forbes lists generally undervalue personal wealth, but if you base his spend on those figures he's spent around half of his money on Everton. Madness.

If his mate was spending it's less than a tenth. That's a really bad night at the casino in relative terms.

Here’s the thing, it’s not his money. So yes, he would keep throwing it in.
 

Well...... Exactly.

Bang on queue.


It's actually a very poor article and very clickbaity.

The main funding they talk about is the USM (and associated companies) sponsorship.

Which was absolutely fine because Moshiri was on the board and therefore could make those decisions.


Usmanov wasn't personally directly sending money to Everton at any time.
 
It's actually a very poor article and very clickbaity.

The main funding they talk about is the USM (and associated companies) sponsorship.

Which was absolutely fine because Moshiri was on the board and therefore could make those decisions.


Usmanov wasn't personally directly sending money to Everton at any time.
Oh yeah, the only new thing in that is that he was banned from UK pre invasion.

I stand by my suspicion, aside from the sponsorship from USM..... The bulk of the money spent by Moshiri wasn't his.
 
I don't think the Oligarchs needed to clean money when their head of state was in for a cut
Think the idea is once the money has left Russia its not liable to Putin Taxation. Also when I say cleaning money I mean cleaning it from Russian to international. Have a £500 stake in a British football team is better than having £1bn in Russia that might be taken away when you mysteriously fall out a window.
 
You may well be right, it's only a suspicion.

We know that Moshiri is a bit of a loon, but would he really keep throwing his money in like he has? I mean, yeah.... He fabulously wealthy, but the amount he's spent to go backwards has me doubting.

I get the Forbes lists generally undervalue personal wealth, but if you base his spend on those figures he's spent around half of his money on Everton. Madness.

If his mate was spending it's less than a tenth. That's a really bad night at the casino in relative terms.
I think the words laundering and cleaning are creating confusion. He is taking money out of Russia or Russian backed financing in to legit international business. That means when Putin comes calling for money its much harder to get it. Surly Abramovich was doing the same. The amount he puts in is near to the amount he will get out even if he does send us down. Whats the loss of 100m to a billionaire when his money is now not based under Russian control.
 
That Guardian article is interesting in one way: it tells us Usmanov was persona non grata prior to the war.

Beyond that, it is most interesting because the British prime minister actively touted for Mohammed bin Salman to buy Newcastle United, while his home secretary was busy tut-tutting at Everton.

The double-standard - not even implied in that article - is breathtaking.

I think it's great that the journalist in question has shone a light on how Usmanov was viewed by the British government. When will he be shining a light on Priti Patel's view of the Newcastle United takeover? Just for context, like.
 

Think the idea is once the money has left Russia its not liable to Putin Taxation. Also when I say cleaning money I mean cleaning it from Russian to international. Have a £500 stake in a British football team is better than having £1bn in Russia that might be taken away when you mysteriously fall out a window.
But as I mentioned earlier...... Plenty of places take Russian money without batting an eyelid.

Why do something high profile like buy a football club for anything other than bragging rights?
 
That Guardian article is interesting in one way: it tells us Usmanov was persona non grata prior to the war.

Beyond that, it is most interesting because the British prime minister actively touted for Mohammed bin Salman to buy Newcastle United, while his home secretary was busy tut-tutting at Everton.

The double-standard - not even implied in that article - is breathtaking.

I think it's great that the journalist in question has shone a light on how Usmanov was viewed by the British government. When will he be shining a light on Priti Patel's view of the Newcastle United takeover? Just for context, like.
Especially as Saudis lodged legal documents in the US last week confirming PIF and MBS are linked beyond question. (despite assuring the PL theres no link whatsoever)
 
Especially as Saudis lodged legal documents in the US last week confirming PIF and MBS are linked beyond question. (despite assuring the PL theres no link whatsoever)
I mean, we didn't even need those to know what was going on. Any old fool knew that the British government caved in to MBS on Newcastle for their own nefarious, self-serving reasons. Sure, it was breathtaking that the Saudis were so brazen in the court case, but despotic regimes are like that.

Any hounding of other clubs in the light of Newcastle is untenable. Johnson actively helped push through the Newcastle deal. There is documentary evidence to prove as much. It's out in the open. Yet, Everton are the bad guys here with their dodgy ties to dodgy oligarchs...

Nah, sorry.
 
But as I mentioned earlier...... Plenty of places take Russian money without batting an eyelid.

Why do something high profile like buy a football club for anything other than bragging rights?

A journalist a while back who had a book delayed about Russian Oligarchs said one of the reasons Abromavich bought Chelsea was to make it harder for Putin to off him.

This was before the Ukrainian Invasion, thought it was a bit far fetched at the time but when he got refused a UK visa he never went to Russia but to Isreal to buy himself Isreali citizenship.
 
That Guardian article is interesting in one way: it tells us Usmanov was persona non grata prior to the war.

Beyond that, it is most interesting because the British prime minister actively touted for Mohammed bin Salman to buy Newcastle United, while his home secretary was busy tut-tutting at Everton.

The double-standard - not even implied in that article - is breathtaking.

I think it's great that the journalist in question has shone a light on how Usmanov was viewed by the British government. When will he be shining a light on Priti Patel's view of the Newcastle United takeover? Just for context, like.
I know what you're saying but that particular paper has questioned the Saudi takeover process a number of times. These are just a few!

 

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