Financial Fair Play investigation

[Walken]

What a disgrace. Insulting the memory of a young man killed doing his job.

@Tom Hughes do you still think this feller's a serious figure and not part of the entertainments industry...and one with an axe to grind against Everton?


I ask again more generally: do his employees at Liverpool University know what he's doing online?

Damo and the two lads supporting 'other' teams with a keen side interest in Evertons finances loved him as well.

 

[davek]

That's a response you'd be ashamed to see from an 11 year old. If Maguire has a reputation for serious analysis and comment on football's business side then that comment alone should rip it into tatters.

If he represents the university in any way, then you'd think that should be something they would want to put a stop to. A man dying in an accident is not a joking matter.

Obvioulsy he didn't check what the black armband was for of he wouldn't have said it...presumably.

However...

1/ the fact Everton were wearing black armbands should have been enough to leave that 'joke' alone.

2/ he is a man meant to check his facts before diving in with an unsolicited comment...that he didn't do so underlines just how much he's strayed out of the realms of academia and the rigour expected there and immersed himself in the 'bantz' culture of social media. How anyone can hand this feller any credit much less support I dont know.

 

[Walken]

Obvioulsy he didn't check what the black armband was for of he wouldn't have said it...presumably.

However...

1/ the fact Everton were wearing black armbands should have been enough to leave that 'joke' alone.

2/ he is a man meant to check his facts before diving in with an unsolicited comment...that he didn't do so underlines just how much he's staryed out of the realms of academia and the rigour expected there and immersed himself in the 'bantz' culture of social media. How anyone can hand this feller any credit much less support I dont not know.

You see a black armband at a sporting event and you are immediately aware of a bereavement, whether he is right or wrong on our finances (I personally think he pushes theory as fact) its become quite obvious he has an axe to grind.

 

[davek]

You see a black armband at a sporting event and you are immediately aware of a bereavement, whether he is right or wrong on our finances (I personally think he pushes theory as fact) its become quite obvious he has an axe to grind.

Exactly. When did people think it was open house to ridicule?

I'll tell you one thing: if that had been Liverpool getting beat and wearing black armbands they would never ever have gone near that subject.

 

[Tom Hughes]

That's not exactly the full condemantion I was hoping and expecting to read.

Maybe you didn't take it in properly.

I dont care what qualifications he has, Maguire has acted in a thoroughly unprofessional way with regard to Everton and this FFP situation, and now he's topped that off with an unforgivably crass comment regarding Everton wearing black armbands for a man who died on site. And it doesn't matter if he never checked the facts out on that, he shouldn't be making any crass remarks about ANY occasion we as a club have our players in black armbands.

The fact he's cut and run and taken his account down rather than face the music and make an apology tells you all you need to know about his lack of character.

But you're not really after my condemnation of his comment, you're after my condemnation of his analysis of Everton's parlous financial state because of that comment.

Of course his comment was crass, highly insensitive and misplaced.... However, his assessments of the club's finances are not. Propensity for crassness and sound financial analysis are not mutually exclusive traits.

 

[davek]

But you're not really after my condemnation of his comment, you're after my condemnation of his analysis of Everton's parlous financial state because of that comment.

Of course his comment was crass, highly insensitive and misplaced.... However, his assessments of the club's finances are not. Propensity for crassness and sound financial analysis are not mutually exclusive traits.

One begot the other though, as you well know. That crass comment came out of his vendetta with the club over his perception he was being hounded by them for his comments on FFP. You cant distinguish between the two issues.

Here's the long and short of it: he's been motivated to take a pop at Everton's mauling by Villa because of the reaction he got from the club over this FFP business and he's been that rabid about it he's let it cloud his judgement on what is and what is not an accpetable comment to make.

As stated: he's a loose cannon and should never be taken seriously on anything Everton related.

I await his re-emergence on Twitter in the next few days with his tail between his legs issuing a full apology. But he'll still be a characetr who's proven himself incapable of behaving rationally and credibly. He's a social media entertainer and the last 24 hours have nailed that once and for all.

 

[Tom Hughes]

One begot the other though, as you well know. That crass comment came out of his vendetta with the club over his perception he was being hounded by them for his comments on FFP. You cant distinguish between the two issues.

Here's the long and short of it: he's been motivated to take a pop at Everton's mauling by Villa because of the reaction he got from the club over this FFP business and he's been that rabid about it he's let it cloud his judgement on what is and what is not an accpetable comment to make.

As stated: he's a loose cannon and should never be taken seriously on anything Everton related.

I await his re-emergence on Twitter in the next few days with his tail between his legs issuing a full apology. But he'll still be a characetr who's proven himself incapable of behaving rationally and credibly. He's a social media entertainer and the last 24 hours have nailed that once and for all.

I think your angst is slightly misplaced... Everton's FFP and P&S woes are entirely of their own making and nothing whatsoever to do with anything this fella has said. The club is in a mess and very few would argue otherwise. If you're going to argue the credibility of him or his assessment you need to actually mention where you think he was wrong and why. Does one crass statement by Hinchcliffe and Sky commentators mean that he knows nothing about football or Everton FC? We are an easy target, but can't blame the vultures for gathering.

 

[blulouie]

Sky were the same with their commentary from Hinchcliffe saying Dyche looked like a croupier on the sidelines

Did they ask what Emery was doing out & about in the daytime ?

 

[davek]

I think your angst is slightly misplaced... Everton's FFP and P&S woes are entirely of their own making and nothing whatsoever to do with anything this fella has said. The club is in a mess and very few would argue otherwise. If you're going to argue the credibility of him or his assessment you need to actually mention where you think he was wrong and why. Does one crass statement by Hinchcliffe and Sky commentators mean that he knows nothing about football or Everton FC? We are an easy target, but can't blame the vultures for gathering.

You've set up a straw man here. You seem to be of the mistaken belief that I'm arguing we have acceptable governance at Everton when I'm as vocal as anyone in stressing we are a shambles at that level.

The question for him (and you) is whether its professional of Maguire to go public with his perception of his relations with EFC. I say a serious commentator keeps their own counsel under those circumstancdes and that only someone looking for attention or for clicks on social media goes public with their thoughts...and yesterday's disgraceful howler demonstrates exactly why he should have gone with the former option.

The truth is that Maguire has dangerously subsumed his analysis of Everton's financial affairs with a personal crusade aginst the club itself in toto...and now he's taken it a step too far and will presumably suffer from it...which is down to his own arrogance.

 

[blueblue]

Tosspot of the highest order that fella. Deleted his account now.

Disgraceful comment.

 

[blueblue]

He's an Academic who specialises in Football finances......regardless of any poor taste comments or perceived propensity to have a dig at Everton.

Let's face it, the whole fanbase have an axe to grind with our club...... for good reason! The club has been a financial basket case for decades (with and/or without rich backers), to say otherwise because you don't like a particular commentator is like shooting the messenger.

Rest assured no-one will be stripping this fella off his qualifications, job or platform.

All other issues are seperate to this.

This is a digraceful comment and should be recognised as such. A young man died at his place of work , that has nothing to do with how Everton is run as a football club.

 

[blulouie]

I think your angst is slightly misplaced... Everton's FFP and P&S woes are entirely of their own making and nothing whatsoever to do with anything this fella has said. The club is in a mess and very few would argue otherwise. If you're going to argue the credibility of him or his assessment you need to actually mention where you think he was wrong and why. Does one crass statement by Hinchcliffe and Sky commentators mean that he knows nothing about football or Everton FC? We are an easy target, but can't blame the vultures for gathering.

That sounds like you are justifying what can be put out in the media as it has become the norm nowadays.

Vultures can gather all they want but that will never give any of them the right to have a free for all.
We are constantly berating idiots that misuse social media in here , Maguires idiotic comments were far worse than the usual guff some post.

This man has a very clear agenda with this club and to push that boundary into a totally unwarranted insensitive realm especially in the very high profile position he is in is utterly despicable.

It was the cheapest and nastiest of shots anyone can make in light of the circumstances.
A full unequivocal apology should be demanded , my guess is even that will be hard to accept .

 

[Tom Hughes]

You've set up a straw man here. You seem to be of the mistaken belief that I'm arguing we have acceptable governance at Everton when I'm as vocal as anyone in stressing we are a shambles at that level.

The question for him (and you) is whether its professional of Maguire to go public with his perception of his relations with EFC. I say a serious commentator keeps their own counsel under those circumstancdes and that only someone looking for attention or for clicks on social media goes public with their thoughts...and yesterday's disgraceful howler demonstrates exactly why he should have gone with the former option.

The truth is that Maguire has dangerously subsumed his analysis of Everton's financial affairs with a personal crusade aginst the club itself in toto...and now he's taken it a step too far and will presumably suffer from it...which is down to his own arrogance.

He is literally a commentator on football finances and economics. The Media ask for and use his opinion on these matters. He has given both positive and negative opinion on the possible outcome of the inquiry over the past few months. That's all part of what he does and he's under no legal or professional obligations to do otherwise..... you have not said that you disagree with any of his assessment of our finances. So it sounds more like a personal thing tbh.

 

[roydo]

He is literally a commentator on football finances and economics. The Media ask for and use his opinion on these matters. He has given both positive and negative opinion on the possible outcome of the inquiry over the past few months. That's all part of what he does and he's under no legal or professional obligations to do otherwise..... you have not said that you disagree with any of his assessment of our finances. So it sounds more like a personal thing tbh.

So why, in your opinion, did he tweet about the EFC black arm bands in a "jocular" way? A young man died, we, (and others, LFC included) paid our respects in the time honoured way. He joked about it. And you defend him?

 

[davek]

He is literally a commentator on football finances and economics. The Media ask for and use his opinion on these matters. He has given both positive and negative opinion on the possible outcome of the inquiry over the past few months. That's all part of what he does and he's under no legal or professional obligations to do otherwise..... you have not said that you disagree with any of his assessment of our finances. So it sounds more like a personal thing tbh.

That's a perversion of what he's actually done. There's been no dry and level headed analysis here from Maguire. no sticking to the facts. He's analysed Everton's FFP issue through the prism of a perceived hounding he had from the club when they picked him up on his analysis. He made this personal and public.

That you believe all he's doing is his job beggars belief and merely confirms my suspicion that you've taken up a position on Maguire and wont budge from it regardless of what he does...even to the extent of attempting to give context to his disturbing tweets about Everton's black armband wearing yesterday. Yes, you condemn him for it, but you feel you can do that and still leave room for him as a credible and good faith actor in all this. That's called wanting to have your cake and eat it too.